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i think everyone ought to watch |
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i think everyone ought to watch |
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Indeed. Also, have a read of "a convenient untruth". Gore's house uses 20 times the national average amount of electricity. It's true we're using up a fair whack of our petrol/fossil fuels and ought to look at alternatives. It's also completely untrue that we have anything more than a negligible effect on the climate. |
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just to be clear, im not fond of ANY political figure. i just thought this was a good documentary |
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geological phenomena of planetary proportions... humanoids can fix it alright |
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Global warming is scientific fact. I believe that part at least of Gore's movie. All the serious studies show it is real. I intuitively believe the argument that the atmosphere with it's 10 km height is very small in volume compared to the earth and that's why we can easily affect it, also because i believe it is a fine balance. The scientists that say global warming isn't real deliberately base themselves on old or wrong studies. Saying global warming doesn't exist imo is stupid conspiracy thinking. |
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it sure is as it's been hyped up immensly by the government controlled media to get you ready to pay more taxes. just wait and see. the thing is, that An inconvenient truth is very good at showing you the wrong data in a fancy way. |
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global warming is real (radiation from the sun has increased several % over some years now!) but man is not to blame for this. |
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Watch the great global warming swindle, then repeat that with a straight face. |
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i think the documentary is awful because i get depressed by this doomsday stuff also i think it's dumb to focus so exclusively on global warming and not other environmental issues: does throwing my batteries in the trash affect global warming? no? great then i'll go ahead and do so |
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no i read the paper i will look into it but i think it will be another Loose Change: I don't have the knowledge to judge this is truth or not, I will choose which scientists to believe. |
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that argument is rebutted in inconvenient truth |
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do yourself a favor and see the great global warming SWINDLE :) |
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haven't seen either, and i'm certainly no climatologist. but i've seen plenty of climatologists rip apart the GGWS arguments. apparently they claimed in it that volcanoes produce more CO2 etc. than human activity does, which is blatant, total bollocks. |
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jajaja i will tnx |
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even if Al Gore is wrong, you deserve to be shot and stamped upon if you do not start thinking about the fucking filth you produce and how to be more responsible regarding energy preservation. this movie is a wake-up call and anyone telling you there's no need to wake up, is still sleeping, obviously. It makes me mad when people do everthing they can do keep on living the lazy dirty life they are accustomed to. |
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i've believed in global warming almost all my live and therefor longer than God. it must be a national culture thing |
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"About the Guy behind this (the great swindle) Martin Durkin In 1997 television producer Martin Durkin from the TV company Kugelblitz made a series for Channel 4 called Against Nature, which targeted environmentalists, presenting them as 'the new enemy of science' and as comparable to the Nazis." i trust bush more than a man who says that environmentalists are fascist enemies of science. what kind of bollocks ist that? Is solar energy against science? Is any alternative energy against science, is improving houses to save energy against science, is alternative fuel or electric cars against science? being stuck on fossil fuel is against science... |
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yes, the great global warming swindle was basically ridiculed and put to shame by a lot of international climate experts. |
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from link: "According to a group of scientists brought together by documentary-maker Martin Durkin, if the planet is heating up, it isn't your fault and there's nothing you can do about it." It's Kyoto over again, why would i believe a couple of scientist over hundreds of others? "We've almost begun to take it for granted that climate change is a man-made phenomenon. But just as the environmental lobby think they've got our attention, a group of naysayers have emerged to slay the whole premise of global warming." I don't believe the environmental lobby, i believe science |
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are you people stupid or are you joking? |
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evil forces made this a left- or right-wing issue or something |
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whats your view on this then, o master of philosophy (and therefore climatology) ? |
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you must be fucking kidding. I wonder which corporations funded that movie. |
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destroy the evil forces ! destroy i say ! anyhow the conservative powers that be in germany, all of a sudden are pro-environmentalism finally one point i agree with them |
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gore isn't a politician imo (wiki:Today, Gore is president of the American television channel Current TV, chairman of Generation Investment Management, a director on the board of Apple Inc., and an unofficial adviser to Google's senior management.) |
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Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy to make you drive your car less because that's what socialists and scientists have to do to make money. This shouldn't be seen as a political issue (or it should, but then political issues would have to go back to being political issues (as opposed to economical, as they are today)), but rather as an ethical issue. You are the person doing this, you are the person doing bad. Do you want to be that person? And I think the fact that that it already is an ethical issue is what makes so many people believe it isn't their fault; the weight of guilt is heavy, but the only way of truly lightening it is admitting it and repenting it (by doing good, or rather, stopping doing the bad); moving the responsibility elsewhere (natural variations, the big corporations, wherever) is only a temporary solution, and it will hit you in full weight when it comes back. Then you can choose if you once more want to send it out to the field to graze and put on more weight or if you want to actually admit it, take the responsibility and do something. |
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OH BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AS A PERSON IS HAVING ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT |
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It's man made. Not all of it, some is natural variations, and I can't say with certainty how much of it is us, but what is us is solely our responsibility and we need to ask ourselves, as I said, not "can we afford this," but rather "do we want to be the people who did this?" Even if the impact was, as ceri seems to believe, negligible (which I don't believe. I believe it to be significant), not doing something where we can is a true sin. My dad is a meteorologist/geophysicist, and I talk to him about it quite a bit, so I bet I have more knowledge about it than you. I also worked for a year at the geophysical institute here in bergen, where the Bjerknes centre for climate research also lies, and I read up a bit on their stuff whenever I didn't have anything to do. Don't ask me about numbers, though, I can't even remember my own birthday. |
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Yeah, people can keep telling themselves that. When you get in your car in the morning, it's the air planes doing the polluting, when you fly to oslo (instead of taking the train), it's the industry, or you justify it with "I don't have the time to spend six hours on a train," when you buy the stuff that is produced by "industry," it's not that particular industry, it's china and their coal power plants, please china do something!!! THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY MUST ACT! *drives off in a hummer* What, the shopping bags are heavy, ok? Bah. |
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I also read an article by a psychologist a while back.. he'd done some research on how people perceived the threat of global warming, and, basically, if you told them how to deal with it, they perceived it as moralizing or paternalistic and closed their ears to it. We are a bunch of grown up babies, and you know what the problem is? Fucking individualism and liberalism, but even with the capitalist notion that "no matter where you're born, what you're born to, if you don't make it, don't strike it big, no-one's to blame but you," putting all responsibility (for ones economical situation) on each and every one of us, no-one seems to be able to figure out that pollution is a personal problem; Consumers are part of the industrial pollution. |
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I am angry, will have an ice cream. There's close to 20 degrees in bergen in march! |
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i am naturally dubious of claims against artificial global warming but i'm definitely not all that knowledgable in the field. but it does really interest me. ceri: what claims did they make in the GGWS documentary and how did they support them? |
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global warming is very real and quite scary, but i really fucking hate al gore for making a movie about himself instead. |
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oops, wrong link ignore last link! |
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it's nice to see how influenced you all are. i can't see any ot you as an idividual. it's fun to be anti, you just feel so alive. oh ceri just get a farm and use your bike to the fullest and why bother? chin ching! me me me |
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well, at least something happens. |
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that's a great principle. it should be applied to the creationists as well, who harm the public by dumbing it |
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puting faulty science into their heads |
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theres really no problem with creationists, the idea of creation is quite nice actually and sometimes they are SO FUNNY, so i like em each to his own on that issue |
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yea i saw the peanutbutter video |
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50 years from now, (if I'm not dead and if I am, it'll be from something other than climate change) I'll look back on this and be amused. People will either of quietly dropped it, or the enviros will still be banging on about this great cataclysm that will happen "in the next ten years". My parents lived through this the first time it came up, 40 years ago. All the very same panic about the end of the world and guilt at using a car was popular material back in the 70s. Guess what? It didn't happen. 40 years, on they still want us to believe it's imminent. It's not even like traditional "end of the world" zealots. At least they have the courtesy to set a date they reckon it's all going to kick off. Then, when the date passes, we can all have a laugh and they can either be quiet, or look even more stupid and go "well, I got it wrong, actually it's 9 years and 234 days from now." This is effectively what the enviros have done since the inital claims in the 70s. So, my challenge is this: Put your head on the line, give a date it will definately of all gone tits-up by, if we carry on as we do. If we get to that date and it hasn't, you're not allowed to bring it up again. I bet you the dates would suddenly not be quite so close, instead of 10 years, it'll be 20, or 50. I think it is massive egotism on the part of humans that: a) We somehow consider ourselves different to any other animal. b) Think our actions, in the grand scheme of things will dramatically effect the planet for any real length of time. As an aside, I don't grasp how people are unable to seperate the two distinct issues of using up fossil fuel (which I think is worth looking at) from that of global warming. I also don't understand how the same people who discredit GGWS on the grounds those involved in it may have vested interests, fail to see how the same applies to those who make a living out of global warming. is hardly "a couple" is it? |
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Whoops, linked like a n00b there. scientists (many who hold pHDs) reckon it's bunk. Hardly "a few dozen" who are being payed off by oil companies, is it? |
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right, but temperatures are rising rapidly and polar icecaps melting. |
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i'll just say it's foolish to not think we have a great impact on climate, just how much is the tricky part the problem is it's just so complicated a science plus we never had a situation like now so there is no anticipation possible based on data so, in fact, NOBODY can really tell what will happen next it's a whole new situation for humanity and that's why there is so much panic, misinformation and misunderstanding we just don't know for now |
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i gladly welcome every reason to cut down pollution, because it stinks and is unhealthy and receiving my electricity out of renewable ressources, that dont have any co2 output doesnt cost me more middleclass people can even make a profit out of it by having solar panels on their houses producing more energy than they need. and its a benefit for all factories can save much money by investing in new generators that work more effectively, decreasing their electricity bills using up the fossil fuel more efficently would probably do no harm either. we all know it will be used up anyway and in the long run the small people will pay more and more for it, so why not develop alternatives soon enough so that people still can afford their own vehicles in the upcoming decades? |
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you're a truly inspiring induhvidual. |
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i've read a bit of that, and it gives argumentation that is totally refuted by the ipcc, which honestly seems highly reliable as a source of information i'll read it in detail later and try to compare the arguments to really see what is going on but by initial reading it uses false argumentation |
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Your assumption that I'm stupid, because I disagree with your point of view, only serves to discredit your argument. |
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