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[biggiesmartypants] aphex twin is cool |
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http://www.hyves.nl/index.php?l1=gr&group_id=19869 |
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i use google mail for my own domain.. it's hard to beat. |
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Yeah, it's a lovely interface, and i love it for my personal email. But why should TCD sell out and suck the corporate cock? Why should my college emails be handled by and stored on a google server? Why have I had no choice in the matter? |
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for me it's no different from using any other commercial e-mail client |
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FAILED: Final Recipient: RFC822; James.Joyce@gmail.com Status: 5.2.1 (Mailbox quota exceeded) Last Attempt Date: 13 Jan 1941 19:38:50 -0700 |
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We're not talking about personal emails here.. We're talking about a university handing the reigns over to a corporation in yet another part of administration. Do you see nothing wrong with this? Not even in principle? |
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i'd just have it forwarded to gmail anyway.. saves me the effort. |
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no, a corporation is not the devil or terrorists |
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much as i agree that this is pretty shit, i hope it doesnt come as a suprise to you? everything that can be privatised will be. |
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you have no choice |
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now now, easy there grandpa. remember to take your geritol. |
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university of arizona was the first uni to do this. there are a few in the us who use gmail now, and a couple other larger corporations too like ge. |
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I really don't see a problem with this. There's worse corporations they could've used to offer this service. I think it's a good thing and pretty forward thinking for a Uni. They're going to save a shitload of money this way and relieve stress on their own equipment so they can work on offering better service in other parts of their IT department. |
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who uses email anyway |
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ah, the genitalia! |
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My corporation runs large proportions of many colleges' IT systems. By and large we handle the student's data with a great deal more respect/care than most of the colleges do themselves. Google are better than us, so I'd say you having nothing to worry about. It's safer and cheaper than running it in house. Interestingly there are sort of legal quandries re: their relationship to you as a data protection subject and their own as data controllers/controller's agents. This sort of outsourcing of IT has quite odd rules re: their data protection obligations to you because it hasn't been around long enough for the law to catch up. I'm actually doing a project on the legalities of something similar as part of my masters dissertation. |
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it's funny to think about how they could use the information. besides marketing crap to people in the ads they could secretely combine newly discovered and communicated insights from academic fields that traditionally won't interact and come up with new groundbreaking scientific insights |
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if you're paranoid, just use . |
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or, since they're in bed with the american government, could provide information on who's doing what in various controversial or subversive university societies. |
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boo hoo. No big deal, this is the same as them farming it out to any other private company. I'd imagine google would do a better job than a few IT bods at the university and probably a few It companies too. I hate to pop your ego, but I doubt the US government really cares about you enough to worry if you joined the socialism society because they were giving away free Che T-shirts, etc Your comment about having choice is laughable. My university had an internal system, but didn't offer me the choice of anyhting else. the bastards! |
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WHEN U R READING THIS DONT STOP OR SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN MY NAME IS SUMMER I AM 15 YEARS OLD i have BLONDE HAIR , SCARS no NOSE OR EARS I AM DEAD IF U DONT COPY THIS JUS LIKE FROM THE RING COPY N POST THIS ON 5 MORE SITES OR I WILL APPEAR ONE CREEPY NIGHT WEN UR NOT ExPECTING IT BY YOUR BED WITH A NIFE AND KILL U THIS IS NO JOKE SUMMET ING GOOD WILL HAPPEN TO U IF YOU POST THIS ON 5 MORE FLASH BOXES |
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shit, that's really bad |
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was ment to be follow-up to horsefactory |
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you've missed the point by your second sentence. congs |
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if i remember correctly google opposed to giving the government access to their users emails. also i remember that the senate denied an initiative by google to provide an entire city with free internet access? how is it that they're in bed with the us government exactly? google is sinister because it seems like their plan is to take over the internet. conspiracy thinking can be so dumb sometimes. |
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I bypass all this corporate bullshit like gmail and just use good, honest to goodness Hotmail. It's like email but on the Internet, so it's free and only you can look at it. I give it a Tech_Belch Rating of 5 Thetas ΘΘΘΘΘ |
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i miss checking my university email with telnet and pine. :( |
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also, i'd pay a couple hundred dollars to still have access to all of those emails. |
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hahah, because universities aren't businesses that make money oh and your subversive university circles are really threatening, i bet |
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most computer techs i've seen working at a college are incompetent and incapable of maintaining a stable internet server, not to mention all the red tape and bureaucracy to deal with. e-mail isn't something meant to enhance learning experiences, it's used to keep communication between students and faculty. i understood your sentiment, redrum, but i doubt your teachers will be replaced by cost-efficient robots or that you'll be reading books you wrote yourself on elm bark. and besides, considerating how education funding is where i'm at, i'd rather my school put the money where it counted, into things that would work. |
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there's a lot wrong with people who think that corporations are wrong IN PRINCIPLE. i don't know where to start. again, just an observation |
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omg! something happened! then, as time went by you forgot about it and 50 years after the fact, you died w/o incident. big deal. |
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i didn't fucking say they were, but it's my fucking information if they are or not, and nobody else's. OK: i say that because my semantics lecturer showed me a newspaper article regarding a deal done between Google and NASA to provide datamining software, so they'd be able to search through their banks of information on space travel technology. we both concluded - he first - that it was very questionable, since NASA would have to already have had datamining software and algorithms of a comparable quality and efficiency to google's, and that this was just a foot-in-the-back-door for the NSA and co. |
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That's just conjecture though. There's really nothing to say that's definitely what's happening. |
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Yes I agree with giginger. in fact you made one conjecture and a very questionable logic deduction. |
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you have no choice |
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Right...so an educational establishment, supposedly educating some of the brightest minds in the country, where one would think innovative ideas are swapped and discussed and research is undertaken is throwing all of this data and information open to a third party commercial company who have links with various government agencies. I agree with redrum, this is bollocks and shouldn't be allowed. |
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This objection is only really reasonable if the alternative people administering it (the college's internal IT team) are: competent, honest and care about the privacy of student's data. I've met literally hundreds of members of IT staff at scores of different colleges. A few were like that, the vast majority were not. Most are underpaid, underskilled and generally fairly pissed off and apathetic. I think you're far more likely to find one of them selling your secret info (which as mimi says, sorry to piss on your parade, most people in the real world don't give a toss about) than some corporation who is managing it for them and potentially stands to lose a great deal more than a private individual would. The notion that the government/government agencies shouldn't be able to steal all the wonderful research that allegedly goes on at universities (and a lot of university's research output is actually pretty wank and exists only to get funding, even at supposedly very prestigious sites) also falls down on account of who is paying for it. Universities are effectively bankrolled by the government (even those who pay full whack tuition fees are still only paying 15-20%) who tend to take whatever they damn well please of the research findings anyway and are quite upfront about doing so. As an aside, the fact that google works with government agencies on other projects doesn't mean a lot. Any firm that deals with decent sized IT projects eventually runs government projects (as most large projects involve the government in some capacity). This doesn't mean they are a branch of the government. As it happens, Google are actually fairly leftist as big companies go. They really don't fulfill the cyberpunk stereotype of some big evil faceless corporation who only care about $$$s. As to having a choice in the matter, why should you? Do you get a say in who does the cleaning of the building? Or the security? The government pay for your education and the students union isn't very powerful at all these |
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...days. It's not like they have any real weight at all and in any event, do most of your peers have a problem with this? When I was in full time education, our email system was a joke. Tiny mailbox that could be overfilled (at which point you couldn't send email and it would bounce recieved emails back) by literally one email containing the whole uni address book in the "to" field (the didn't bother to set up groups you see). All it needed was one cretin to mail everyone a "phone for sale" email with a couple of .bmp images in it and the whole thing came to a halt for days at a time. This resulted in a friend missing a work placement (the company tried emailing him for an interview, but when the mail was returned, emailed the second person on the list instead). Other people got penalised for handing coursework in late as a result. All sorts of Chaos. I complained about this situation on several occassions. 5 years on, I'm informed this is still the case and now no one uses the internal email (they use gmail/yahoo). I'd far rather a working system that was run externally than an internal one that was at best flakey. Even if this means "loosing my privacy" it's not like I'm going to email mates anything risque on a college email addy anyway. |
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our email system works perfectly. i've been at tcd for 3 years now and my inbox has only 20MB out of 60MB full, and i've not deleted a single email. People don't send around emails such as the one you've mentioned - indeed, it's only the graduates and academics who are able to email the mailing lists, so it all works perfectly well. so, that serves as an example not only of how our email system works, but how it works well, and so i must conclude that the people administering it are competent (they definitely are) and honest. Whether or not they care about peoples' privacy isn't as easily verifiable, but I'd be much more inclined to trust them than a multinational corporation. you say an MNC has a lot more to lose if they're lax about security or if they abuse peoples' privacy, but I don't think that's the case. Look at the case where AOL accidentally disclosed (or were hacked, i can't remember) hundreds of thousands of searches that were made on their website. Do people still use AOL? Sure they do. I'm not saying people would stop going to TCD if there was an IT security breech, but TCD would have their name and honour tarnished, which is something they certainly do NOT want. This is just a case of cost-cutting. That's all. They're just trying to save money and will skimp on anything possible, even our privacy. |
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Ok, just organise yourself and the other students to pay for an internal email system or stop moaning about cost cutting. |
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Why should it be up to us to pay? Why isn't the government providing the money, instead of wasting 50 million euro on evoting machines that haven't been used and (hopefully) never will be? Also, that'd be quite impossible. Do you really think the college IT staff would allow us to set up an alternative email system, side-by-side with the google system? It'd be a technical nightmare for them, the amount of things that could go wrong. And in any event, it wouldn't achieve anything, since the emails will still be stored on google servers when correspondence takes place between a person on our network and another on the google network. |
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o good then encrypt the shit out of everything you do |
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It should be up to YOU to pay, because YOU have the problem with it. Governments always waste money, get over it. But now they can save a bit of money by using google and you don't like it?!?? Anyway, why are you so worried about your emails? Never heard of PGP? I somehow doubt uncle sam is interested in you. I never suggested two systems at once. If google is so outrageous then surely all of the students will refuse to use it and demand it is scrapped and replaced with a new internal system, thus safe guarding all their important emails from facebook and the like. |
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In that case I'd say you're one of the lucky ones, most university's IT departments are much worse. Just be grateful they've not outsourced their whole IT dept. to a 3rd party. Some universities and colleges have RM in to run the show and do nothing themselves. I draw the line at that and find the idea of not having anyone directly employed by the university having any administrative capacity at all, quite worrying. IT is one area where I think it (generally) makes sense for unis to outsource EG on Monday, I was working as a DBA for a college that was big enough to need a DBA, but not big enough to be able to afford one full time in house. It's not really the sort of job where you're likely to find enough people locally who want to do it as a jobshare or part time, so without relying on a 3rd party, they basically couldn't have one. In that sort of situation it's a nice solution. I do dislike the idea of outsourcing every last thing though, so the university really is run just like a (stereotypically evil) corporation though. Guess how much one of the coffee shops (not even the main one- just a small one in the ground floor of one of the 30-odd buildings) at my old college made? £1,000,000 per month (profit) not turnover. That's for a small, 2-3 members of staff at a time, shop. It wasn't hard to see why, the prices of it were akin to something in a capital city, but because of where the campus was, it'd be a brisk 25 minute walk to go to the alternative cheaper coffee shop down in the town. As a result, if you wanted to get a coffee/sandwich between 2 classes, it was the only real option. I'd of far rather there was a cheaper union one in its place that was run at little above cost (offering cut prices to the students) and the surplus was re-invested in the uni, or given to the rag charity, than that monstrosity.. |
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Google is the big brother |
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not yet but it will |
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