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zero-cool
on 2007-03-07 06:45 [#02059260]
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hi i downloaded max msp and jitter and have been looking threw the tutorials and failed to do live video with my dv, as i just dont know how to use it.
i still dont know how to output whatever would be the final ...output...like i want to use it for vjing, using it as a mixer of videos/clips, maybe visualization stuff and live dv video, i wont buy this until i know how to use it, so might anyone here experienced with max/msp could give me some basics or merely help me build an environment so that i can mix video with live video with vjing etc... as when i was looking threw the jitter tutroials it was just one window each time, and i want to know how to wire them if thats what your meant to do.
i'd much appriciate anyones help, as i would rather use max/msp then stuff like resolume or that bullshit interface crap.
i dont know anything about it, but i assume anything is possible, but would be able to have like a small window in which you would open up a folder on your computer and all the videos would be there, and be able to slide(reverse foward) and have the different videos going and being able to select them, and myabe when you do it would start the video rather than just switching?
i would like to ask more, and learn more.
thank you
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2007-03-07 06:50 [#02059266]
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i cannot help you with msp at all but this might be interesting for you.
vvvv
it's a modular environment very similar to max/msp but more focused on visuals. it's free, it has lots off examples, a very good explanation, much help files, turorials and patches and the forum there works really great with good people there.
you might wanna dig msp and try that out.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-07 11:17 [#02059411]
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Give up, that's what I did with Max.
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isosceles_cat
from Toronto (Canada) on 2007-03-07 12:27 [#02059442]
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MaxMSP/Jitter can do whatever you need it to, but there will be some serious learning involved no matter what. In my opinion, the 30 days given to you by the trial version is not enough to get a proper feel for the program.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-03-07 12:29 [#02059443]
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Yeah, I tried figuring out what you can do. I got so far as to accidentally making an abrassive sounding sine wave and shutting it off. Now I feel much better that I didn't figure out how to use it, because max msp is for wankers.
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magness
from astroblaster (Antarctica) on 2007-03-07 15:08 [#02059482]
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try using the jit.xfade object for starters. then search the max forum. do the tutorials at least, they are very helpful for beginners
good luck, feel free to email me if you want help with a patch in progress
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-08 00:16 [#02059689]
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Kinda agreed.
IMO it's much better for someone like me to go into modular synths with chance and logic things. There's some awesome "generative" modular beats and stuff up on YouTube.
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zero-cool
on 2007-03-08 00:28 [#02059692]
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"jit.xfade object " i have absolutly no idea where to start, ?
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can someone help me build a video mixer where i will be able to load any clips easily without it interupting what will be being outputted?
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magness
from astroblaster (Antarctica) on 2007-03-08 02:19 [#02059700]
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so basically you know absolutely nothing about the program and you want someone to build a vj application for you.
sorry. if you want to use max/msp you're going to have to learn how to use it. it took me a couple months of daily use to get comfortable, and a few more months to actually do something interesting. i still use it every day for years now and am happy to help you if you make an effort.
i'm not going to send you a finished vj mixer (which by the way, there are many apps that do what you are describing, no work required). there are plenty of examples that come with the tutorials; read them, play with the example patches and do the tedious part. there are no shortcuts
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zero-cool
on 2007-03-08 02:35 [#02059705]
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sorry i must have written it badly, i'm not asking for someone to build me a vj app and then thats it, i'am asking sort of what would be the best approach, and help me with some info i cant seem to find...like personal tech problems like how would i actually output the output, and a problem i'm having with using my dv camera threw firewire=in a tutorial it doesnt register my camera, but in aanother tutorial it registers my camera when in vtr mode/playback?
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magness
from astroblaster (Antarctica) on 2007-03-08 02:40 [#02059706]
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ok. drop me an email (see my profile) with more specific detail and i'll try and help with a solution.
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zero-cool
on 2007-03-08 02:56 [#02059711]
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i just found thisand have opened it, but its lagging extremly bad like wheni load video, so i havent been able properly feel it,(only opened for 5 min atm)
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zero-cool
on 2007-03-08 02:59 [#02059712]
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this is my cpu:
Intel(R)Core(TM)2 CPU
6300 @ 1.86GHz
1.93 GHz, 1.98GB of RAM
will this be suitable or maybe do i have to configure my process in order for it too run smooth? cause theres def something fishy
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magness
from astroblaster (Antarctica) on 2007-03-08 03:34 [#02059727]
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try lowering the resolution of your quicktimes (as a test, say 320x240), and check the fps counters below the preview windows
that patch is fairly complex for your needs. make sure the banks don't have too many movies in them. start with just a couple and work your way up. your cpu configuration seems ok but i can't say for sure
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zero-cool
on 2007-03-08 04:20 [#02059745]
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what makes you say that this patch is complex for my needs?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-03-08 13:37 [#02059901]
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Yes. Modulars are pretty great. I keep on ballancing on this fine line between wanting one and not wanting to commit myself to another lifelong obsession.
Buchla on youtube
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-09 00:16 [#02060053]
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Hehe, the Buchla systems are kings of what I'm talking about.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-09 00:21 [#02060054]
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THIS is what I'm talking about: Video 1 Video 2 Video 3
This guy's got an album coming out soon he says on video 3's comments. I asked for a link, I need some more stuff like this, it's great.
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zero-cool
on 2007-03-09 04:26 [#02060139]
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aww fuck why does this shit lag and not respond???
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-03-09 04:42 [#02060146]
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Because its a programming language written by musicians and art students.
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zero-cool
on 2007-03-09 04:53 [#02060153]
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ok and explain to me why my computer and program fucks up when i play and load the video banks?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-03-09 04:55 [#02060156]
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How powerfull is your computer? From what I understand, max runs with a bit of overhead, but not much. How many additional functions might your patch be running along with the video?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-03-09 05:02 [#02060157]
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If you are using a crack of max msp that (if I remember correct its something like 4.152 or higher) it is designed to screw up if its a crack.
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zero-cool
on 2007-03-09 18:53 [#02060486]
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i'm using the demo
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