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Are you a vegetarian now, or do you just like your food to be reared/killed as humanely as possible? With the lobsters, is it possible to kill them very quickly (the same way you can with crayfish) by skewering through their spines? I can see why you'd want to only kill them just before you cook them (IE rather than a few days/weeks earlier), but does the few seconds difference really make a noticeable difference to the taste, or does the way you kill them alter the taste? Is it just a decadent "ideal" that adds little to the finished dish? (not saying it is- I'm quite ignorant on the subject, I'm interested as to what the chef's perspective is) |
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What right do we have to kill things because they are an inconvenience to us, really? On country roads people should be prepared for wild animals to run out and so should drive more slowly, which would prevent a lot of accidents. If people drive at excessive speed they have less chance of reacting in time to stop the car and save themselves and the animal. This is the point I've tried to make to you before Ceri, when I've tried to stress the importance of not driving ridiculously quickly, especially on country roads. Even if you think you are a safe driver, there is always the risk of external factors causing accidents, and you have to be prepared for that. If people drove at the correct speeds for the environment then they would be able to avoid many more collisions and so deers wouldn't be seen as as much of a "pest". When I used to drive to Sheffield, 3/4 of the journey was over the penines and there were ALWAYS sheep on the roads. I predicted that this would be the case and drove according to that, and never had a collision with one. The majority of people who did, however were people that were driving too quickly. I'm not saying that driving more carefully would prevent all colisions with animals, by any means. I am saying that it would prevent a lot of them though, and that should be the first priority as opposed to shooting the animals and labelling them as pests. |
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i'm not on about country roads, what about motorways and dual carriages? that's what they run into. the A40 between Ross and Monmouth is a fairly busy dual carriageway that i drive lots when i am at home, and every few days wou will see deer standing by the side of the road. at night, it shits me up every time. i've never seen one in the road but when driving at night it's always unnerving to see a group of big animals suddenly appear by the side. and since they are wild animals they are unpredictable and could suddenly run into a big road like that seemingly with no provocation. i presume that's how they kill people. not little country tracks between fields. never seen deer there. |
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I agree. You have said everything i would have said. |
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Sheep on the road is a bit different; they're usually in an area with some sort of regularity and hence you can expect to see them and it's not unreasonable to drive a bit slower because of them. Two of my friends have (in seperate incidents) hit sheep on a particular road going through the Brecon Beacons. I find it hard to have a great deal of sympathy with them; there are sheep all over there, all the time, they run out all the time (it's coloquially know as "Thousand Sheep Road" FFS!). The speed limit on that road is 60. One was doing about 40, the other nearer 50, IMO, whilst not speeding, both were going a bit quick for the conditions. I really dislike (and tend not to be) doing over 30 along there, unless you can see it's clear -there are no hedges, dips, fences etc. for sheep to hide behind and can literally see for 200m clear of the road on either side in most places. Similarly, when I used to live in Bristol and work in the countryside to the south of there, I used to go along a road a farmer used to regularly herd his cattle to another field. Again, happened all the time, so invariably I drove much slower, because I was aware cows could come out of a field at any time. The problem with deer is that they are incredibly swift moving and usually come out of nowhere (literally diving out of hedgerows across roads when they smell a female in heat on the other side of the road). Likewise, although they're a problem for a month or so of the year, the rest of the time, you don't see them. Even in season, I've only ever seen two (one of which I hit). Should people drive slowly all the time on country roads on the offchance they may see a deer? In spite of deer, we still have the safest roads in the world and our economy is suffering due to our poor transport infrastructure. It's easy to say less speed is the answer. Less speed, however, means less work done, less money earnt, so less tax, worse economy. Its impact doesn't end with people having a half hour longer journey... |
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And in that, I'm with you. |
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you put it nicely. |
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I'd like to see it happen, but I think it would be politically unacceptable with today's attitudes- because at least some of those hunting would derive pleasure from it (as well as it being for food) people would see it as "killing for sport" and I think they would be unable to draw a distinction between it and, say, fox hunting. It's funny, isn't it, how people don't seem as upset about fishing in the sea with nets (where the animal stands much less chance of escape and suffers at least as much) as a man with a gun shooting a rabbit for food. I definately think it's this idea of it being fun that makes it unacceptable to so many. |
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I really cannot see how a comparison between commercial harvesting of fish can be made with shooting a rabbit. I think the techniques used today in modern fishing are appalling, with no concern for what they bring on the boat or how they get it there in the first place. Beam-trawling destroys entire communities on the seafloor, leaving a rubble-filled wasteland where previously there was an entire marine community. |
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Well, those deer killer chavs done that for fun and with terrible suffering for the animal, proving there's something terribly wrong in their education (or lack of). Most hunters are ecologists as far as I know (and I know some of them) and respect nature more than the average burguer-eater. Then there are (as usual) the rotten apples... But the usual hunter would have kicked hard the chav's asses. And industrial farms are just like Treblinka. |
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I agree with you. Fishing with big nets is a great deal worse, my brother used to work in fisheries protection (policing the fishing boats), I'm well aware of the damage it causes. I just think it's funny (as in peculiar) that so many people find it less objectionable than hunting and using what you kill for food, purely because there is no element of "fun" to that sort of fishing. It's almost as if the puritanical attitude cares more about people not deriving pleasure from killing, than they do about the welfare of the animals and ecology concerned. |
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My older brother goes shooting for game animals and I think it is a disgrace. Las time I saw him was at Christmas and he was out for around three hours and came back with about 16 animals including a duck, rabbits and pheasants. He sold them for around £1 or £2 each or something at a farmers market. I think people who do shit like haven't got a clue about what they are doing. By removing these animals which are secondary consumers from the wild, foxes are denied their food source. Why the fuck do you think they come into the backyards of people? Because twats like him are shooting their natural prey items, resulting in peoples chickens getting eaten by foxes. |
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chavs hunting rats lol |
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Unabomber is completely correct. I've yet to meet someone who hunts who hasn't had a massive respect for nature. The reason the deer killing in the original article was so objectionable was that it was nothing more than sport and even then, done in a particularly cruel manner. The point I've been trying to make is that a lot of people who are nominanlly "against cruelty to animals", without understanding the deeper issues involved, don't really seem able to see a distinction (or at least, don't view the distinction as as big as it is) between these chavs and a group of men with guns, hunting deer for food, but deriving some enjoyment from it. It's like the big hunting debate in the UK, most people's perception is that hunts are a group of toffs on horseback hounding a fox with dogs till it dies, purely as a cruel sport. I'm against this. I am, however, in favour of a few farmers meeting up and going off to shoot foxes that have been killing their chickens and making a bit of sport out of it. To me, they are completely seperate things. |
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People have hunted rabbits since the year dot (with snares and bows and arrows, in the days before guns), I think as well as foxes, humans can be deemed to be their "natural" predators. Wasn't the need for the introduction of mixamatosis, in part, due to increased numbers of rabbits (which foxes alone weren't keeping in check) because people had by and large stopped hunting them? I agree like over-fishing, over-hunting is a bad thing. I don't think deer are over-hunted though. |
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I'm against fox hunting altogether. It's wrong and I cannot believe you are trying to justify it, Ceri. I've stopped eating meat because I do not agree with modern intensive-farming techniques. I've not yet eliminated milk from my diet, since soya milk tastes like fucking shit. I do buy organic milk though, at least the cow is not pumped full of steroids to make it think it is constantly pregnant. |
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Well, I live with a rabbit, and she's so nice... Since she moved to my home (came with my lady), we haven't eaten any more rabbit. But for us there's nothing wrong in hunting rabbits for food; if they don't dare to shoot our beloved one, if so, they will face the unabomber and wife fury. And wife fury is terrible, I tell ya! |
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why is it wrong from a farmers point of view, if foxes are nothing but a constant nuisance stealing their chickens? |
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I'm against the act of fox hunting. You know, where twats all dress up in red and run around over peoples field? If a fox is on a farm, then shoot it by all means or put poison down for it. Don't chase the fucking thing across the countryside for 5 hours before letting a pack of dogs rip it to shit rags. |
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ah right. i wasnt sure if you were distinguishing between the two. not paying attention enough :P apparently toff fox-hunters piss farmers off too - the guys on the farm at home have relatives who own a farm near Ledbury, and the Ledbury Hunt is one of the biggest in the country apparently. the foxhunters just run across their fields and through their patch of woodland without even asking for permission. |
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i havent actually worked in a place yet that deals with live crayfish. i have heard of the skewering method but im not sure if the boiling method is preferred for aesthetic reasons. i think what they do is to keep the crayfish in ice which is supposed to 'put them to sleep' although i look at vegetarianism in a different light now, im pretty far from following it, and i still like butchering meat. but ive gone pretty cold on things like foie gras which i was hanging out to try just 3 months ago. |
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Venison tastes good. |
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Clearly it's all the drivers fault. Ceri,you are wrong wrong wrong. You should know the stopping distances in wet/dry/whatever. If a deer pops out from woodland at the side of the road 10 yards infront, it's YOUR fault for going such a dangerous way and not being 300% alert with extra sensory powers.... Next time strap a 360 scanning anti deer radar to your car and memorise all stopping distances. Maybe a cull of redrum's annoying posts could be done as well as those deer. As an aside, I'd love to see a fight between you two. I'd enjoy watching you kick ten tons of 5h1t out of him as his glass misses your comically small head...I've seen that photo....... P.S. I drive. I own a car. I don't enjoy driving too much, but it is a necessary evil. |
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