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I'm reading an interesting book which strongly suggests that the age of the great civilisations actually started in the United Kingdom, and that the great Egyptian, Sumerian and Phoenician civilisations were actually founded by travellers from the UK called the Grooved Ware People (after the style of pottery dug up in UK sites), who took with them the knowledge of great masonry to these parts of the world, along with their worship of the the planet Venus, the female consort of the Sun: the influence of this worship is even referenced in the Old Testament and the first Hebrews (who started the Jewish faith) supplicated themselves to this way of thinking, and were respectful of the planet/goddess known to us as Venus. In fact, the name Jerusalem can be translated into English as Founded by Venus Many obscure old Freemasonry rituals, long unused and their meanings long lost before now, are based on this worship of Venus & the philosophy of this group of traders. Venus is the third brightest object in the sky (after the Sun and the Moon) and its motion to us is strongly linked to the Sun. It would appear that the first myths sprung up from this Astronomical relationship. |
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this sounds like mumbo jumbo talk. i will look this up at a later date |
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Typical, that you being from England, would agree... |
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Well hold on now, you wouldn't accuse an Iraqi who believes that the cradle of civilisation was Mesopotamia of such a thing, would you? Stonehenge certainly comes to mind in this case and I believe it may possibly be linked to the very first civilisation. |
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I wasn't really being serious... just taking the opportunity to be an ass to marlowe, because I think he's a bit of a twat... |
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Oh I see. just trying to be diplomatic. ^^ |
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this sounds interesting, whats the book called? |
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It's called The Book Of Hiram, by Knight & Lomas; it's an extremely interesting read. |
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sounds pretty dubious. |
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Actually, the evidence is pretty strong - it's not pie in the sky or just made up cos it sounds good: several independent academics agree with the conclusion. The Grooved Ware people pre-date the Mediterranean civilisations, and there are several key similarities between the two: some of these clear up things which have caused befuddlement for some time in the Academic World. |
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i remember hearing about some guy who thought the roman road system in britain was actually based on a much earlier communications system - could that have been made by the same people etc? |
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I have no idea, the Romans have only been mentioned (very) briefly in the book, as in, one sentence mentions them in passing. Maybe they meant that some Roman Roads are based on Ley Lines? |
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I haven't really looked into that site, so I don't know if it makes much mention of the Grooved Ware People, but it may prove interesting at least for those interested in Freemasonry. |
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Hmmm.....sounds a bit crank-ish. You could probably compile evidence to suggest anything happened in ancient history if you dug deep enough. |
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Crankish? One group of people pre-date another, more famous group of people. There are great similarities between the two groups of people, and the earlier group are evidenced to have been sea-faring traders. Is it so outlandish to suggest that the two groups are related? |
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never hear about it, therefore it's fake. |
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well put. |
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Oops, sorry, the cradle of civilisation is North America. Silly me. |
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Well, I suppose you can put down the book now that this great mystery has been laid to rest. |
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how gay |
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HOME-UH-FOAB! |
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yeah.. and look at it now :( |
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but yeah, interesting idea.. i'll have to research this on wikipedia or something and then promptly forget every word i read |
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The cradle of civilisation is Africa. |
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Britian kicks ass and started everything ever. Masonry? British. Industrialisation? British. Rap music? British. Curry? British. America? British. Space? British. Elvis Presley? British. Wheels? British. |
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That's the cradle of homo sapiens, not what I'm referring to. Anyway, I think I read somewhere that that claim is being disputed. |
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Well, there are several Cradles of Civilization (Indus, Nile, Fertile CresCent, and Yangtze), one being in AfriCa. Britain is a very long ways away from these. Why aren't there any in between? |
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aliens |
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OK OK, I meant 'Western Civilisation', the one that led up to and influenced modern-day Western Society. I'm guessing this one led to Egyptian (and The Nile), the Middle Eastern, European, Australasian, and the American (North & South) cultures. The Eastern culture influenced the Far East & the Indian Sub-Continent. I have no idea where its genesis is, probably China :p The African culture influenced most of Africa except the Northern part. Probably. |
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sounds like some good fiction. have you read the da vinci code? s*a*r*c*a*s*m |
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oh no, not forr me |
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Unlike Dan Brown, these are proper scholars who name and credit their sources. I'm wondering why people are having trouble even contemplating this. What's so unbelievable about it? The Grooved Ware people existed, and their culture is older than the "Great" civilisations of yore. They were known to be seafarers and traders, and they fill in the gap which has mystified scholars regarding the apparent leap in skills and culture in these other civilisations. There are many similarities between the two civilisations, such as style of masonry & religious/astronomical beliefs. They are known to have venerated the planet Venus, which is also prevalent in these later cultures, even so far that Jerusalem itself means "Founded by Venus (in its evening setting)". As an interesting aside, the planet Venus is strongly tied to the two Equinoxes, and the horns associated with Venus (and later revised to be 'demonic' and symbols of 'evil' by the Yahweh worshipping religions), comes about because of the trajectory which the planet has in the sky at the equinoxes, two mirrored horns. It was also strongly associated with fertility (effectively the first incarnation of the fertility goddess) because of the timings of the equinox (conceive at the winter equinox and give birth at the spring equinox). This first Fertility Goddess then went on to become known by various names (Venus, Aphrodite, Ishtar, Astarte etc) through the ages and different cultures and their own version of the Myth. I reckon this might be the origin of 'horny' and 'getting the horn'. From these two astronomical objects, The Sun and Venus, we get the original Father and Mother Deities, from which sprang all those others. Interesting. |
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you should petition the history channel to make a show a bout it! serious. i think it sounds cool, and i like learning about all different kinds of ancient cultures. it really helps to broaden one's perspective. and a tv show is just a good way for me to take in information considering my adhd. |
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This might explain the extrordinarily bad teeth British people have. |
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A TV show would be interesting - at least it could have pictures/animations/charts to better put across the evidence. |
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People are having difficulty believing it, because we're not a very popular country at the moment, or indeed, percieved as ancient or mystical. I also think our recent empire is still too recent in memory for comfort. As Zephyr Twin says, people are a lot happier to accept similar ideas when the country in question is a bit more exotic. People don't seem to have a problem with the notion that Africa is the source of civilisation, why should Britain be any different? |
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Funnily, I had been half tempted to joke that our colonial days were Britain taking back what was already hers :) But I thought some people might take it too seriously. |
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Well, there's extensive proof about the african origins of humanity, in the homo sapiens sense and in the cultural sense. |
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civilisation was first invented by Isambard Kingdom Brunel in Britain in 1860. apparently. |
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No. Civilization was first invented by Sid Meyer in 1991. Proof: |
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haha! up until 1991 we were all hunter-gatherer nomads, and then everyone installed that on their 386s and modern society was born. |
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Quality! |
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:D Didn't he do the fantastic classic Railroad Tycoon also? |
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That's the man! |
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Anglos want it all I suppose. Either way, being late to civilization or not, the Egyptians have the Pyrimids and you fucking Stonehenge. Ha! |
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Cheers, you're reinforcing my point wonderfully. Personally, I don't care one way or the other if it's Britain or not: even if this was proven to be true, it's not like I'd hold Britain in higher regard because of it. I mean, it's commonly believed that it's Africa that was the cradle of civilisation. That doesn't mean that I envy it now. |
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There were not Anglos in Britain 5000 years ago. No Houses of Parliament. No football stadia. It's nothing any British person can claim as their own. |
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