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Do races exist? Or do they just exists as long as someone believes in them? My dog 'Killer' is empirical, the race 'Rottweiler' is transcendental. So, our mind ads something to the empirical material. I can say 'I see 5 trees' but the number 5 which is a category, does not exist in reality. So, Races and classes do not exist. And all the theories they are sourrounded by are only subjective....Huh? |
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A google image search says yes! "putt-putt enters the race" |
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all kinds of races exist indeed, as proved by mortsto-x |
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"I can say 'I see 5 trees' but the number 5 which is a category, does not exist in reality." Five is a descriptive term for the number of similar objects you see. |
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do you think involving yourself with philosophy like this will make you a happier man? |
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Fuck you you stupid n..... |
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Every word is a descriptive term. |
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No, i just find it intresting. You know, like some people finde video games intresting, without being a programmer |
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WACKY RACES! |
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okay. fair enough. |
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Seems like a biological question in the first place, and a sociological in the second. Philosophical theories are hugely overrated. And that's as far as I will go. The rest of the answer you should be able to make up for yourself by now. |
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Well, biologicly 99.9 of all people are the same. |
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no, that's genetically |
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yeah, well judging by our DNA sequences, we're all as different to eachother as snowflakes. |
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lol not to touch the earth.... |
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What is the diffrence? Genetically ? Biologically? Arent genetics responsible for our biology? |
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yeah whatever. do math proofs exist, or are they just things we created from axioms and theoremas? does it matter? |
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Following your reasoning we could argue we're the same race as rabbits. Come to think of it, yeah you're right. We're all the same race. |
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so biology and sociology aren't subject to human categories? race itself is a category. However, the answer to monoids question will depend on what it means by exist, and I won't bother asking it. |
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What? Sorry, I don't get it? What? Maybe you misunderstood me. We are all made of stars, thats true yes. |
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some intelligent looking person argued we would be able to grow a tail, if we could turn on the right genes. anyway monoid, what a load of cock cheese. they exist when you're doing a science that needs them, and they dont if you define them in certain ways. as for the ontology, you could argue nothing exists. i'm assuming you're just trying to be shocking and all, with the racial issue? my 2 cents: there are no races, exept germans and non-germans. |
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My objection to philosophical theories about categories, as used in this context, is that it leads to a whole lot of arguments which are a waste of energy. Which is confirmed by your 'not bothering'. I'm happy we agree. |
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how do i post pics? |
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No. They do not. For example, there are no races or social classes in some sociological theories like the Systems Theory. So, fuck off if you are tring to be smarter than me. |
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Monoid, you're a STAR (notice how I used the German use of random-capitals). I bet you haven't heard that before! And if you have, I'll consider it as a proof for you being Michael Jackson. |
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I'm more discouraged by the monoid itself than I am by any argument about categories. however, the answer to its question lies neither in the discussion of categories nor in biology or anything else, but rather what it means by the ambiguous word "exist." |
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'Nowhere and nowhen' We shall find it convenient only to speak of things existing when they are in time, that is to say, when we can point to some time at which they exist (not excluding the possibility of their existing at all times). Thus thoughts and feelings, minds and physical objects exist. But Races do not exist in this sense; we shall say that they subsist or have being, where 'being' is opposed to 'existence' as being timeless. The world of Races, therefore, may also be described as the world of being. |
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YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SO MAD, YOU KNOW THAT. |
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"exist" isn't ambiguous in my book. give us an example of it in a sentence, where there's ambiguity.. |
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Mission Accoplished |
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what a fuck-up |
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In retrospect the MAD Magazine wasnt really funny |
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most, or all, words are almost infinitely ambiguous. Exist can mean that something is, supposedly objectively, in the world. It can also refer to your existence, as understood in existentialism, "your world" if you want to have the oversimplified new-age version. In the extension of the last one, it can also refer to life, in a way, "we have the bare necessities of existence." However, the way I mean it to be ambiguous in this context is that monoid could be defining existence as (1) the existence of something, objectively, in the world or (2) the existence of something, if you will, subjectively, in the world. If the categories are man-made, then, without man, they don't exist, and thus, the "thing," as categorised by man, doesn't exist. It may still have an objective place in the world, but we don't know what that is, nor if it really is (what if a banana, in reality, has 1405 separate parts instead of being just one banana, or at most, the banana and its.. eh.. shell?). |
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Monoid calm down |
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If something exists, it exists. Its existence doesn't rely on subjective awareness of the existence of the thing. If it exists, it exists. You don't have to hear the clap of two hands for it to make a noise. |
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you're not really saying what existence is, you're just saying if a then a. also, even "noise" is a too abstract concept for it to actually apply to a clapping sound; it's a clapping sound when you hear it, but when you don't hear it, it's noise? how do you make that connection? if you were to describe it in what we suppose is our most accurate and objective way of describing it, you'd have to have some kind of physics guy write you a formula for the transfer of energy through sound waves or something, but even that is too far removed, too abstract, to apply to what one would mean by a "hard-core" definition of "reality" (this definition itself is also pretty abstract and not applicable to itself). |
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Would you say the world is radically unknowable? |
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the number 5 does not exist in reality? you do not exist in reality. |
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LOL |
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Questions of philosophy like this one are hilarious. There is no reality. |
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How disgusting your threads are, you are a fool. |
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