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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-18 04:21 [#02033918]
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...so crap.
Seriously, I take good care of my gear and a lot of it is fairly expensive/high quality stuff, but I get stuff only coming out in one channel unless I wiggle the jack about all the time. It's a little thing, but it's so frustrating. It happens more on mini jacks, but also on 1/4" ones too.
Is it only me this happens to, or are audio jacks just incredibly poorly designed?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-18 04:25 [#02033921]
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they suck. I have one that comes apart in the connector and then I have to pull out the part that's stuck with a toenail clipper.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-01-18 04:26 [#02033922]
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Well, neutrik ones work quite well for me.
And it's also possible thet what's broken is the output of the gear... dunno.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-18 04:28 [#02033924]
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oh, and here's an answer to a question you asked.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-18 04:38 [#02033925]
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Ta for that, that explains it nicely.
Also, "I will apparently be receiving an oral presentation of the subject the next time we get drunk so I may be able to give you some random broken sentences about it if that article doesn't make sense." is pure quality!
One question you could ask him that I'd appreciate is, is that sort of thing degree-level maths, or last years of high school? I only ask because I will probably do a maths A-level (16-18 year old's qualification) in it next year and wanted to get an idea of the difficulty.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2007-01-18 04:59 [#02033930]
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the mini jack output of walkmans has always been the first thing to go screwy for me, I think its so easy to wiggle the jack within the port that its bound to get damaged in your pocket. Havent had problems otherwise though.
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aphextriplet
from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-18 05:09 [#02033931]
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spend more money on them.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-18 05:17 [#02033936]
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What, on the jacks? Even the jack on my £125 sennheiser headphones (which is only ever plugged into mixers/pc soundcards- not carried around on walkmen) has the problem, so I don't think that's the answer.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-18 05:22 [#02033938]
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it's probably degree level because even though it may in certain cases be pretty simple to actually do it seems to me to be more of a metamathematical thing, and that's the sort of stuff you don't bother with until university.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-01-18 05:26 [#02033940]
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I don't think its a matter of quality so much as what condition you are keeping them, and how violently you pull out. If you pull out or push it in too sharply, the might be more likely to dislike it, and cause you trouble later on. I find a swift backhand is all you need to pull them back in line. Funny thing, is after they get used to expecting it they stop complaining entirely.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-01-18 05:28 [#02033941]
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What I mean is, it will happen in time regardless of what you pay for the equipment, however the higher you pay for your equipment is usually a good indication of how quality it is. Just be carefull with the high end stuff. Its not meant to be indistructable if you are too jarring with it.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-18 07:39 [#02033974]
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It just seems a very poor design. I mean, I must of plugged and unplugged my ps1 dual shock pads literally thousands of times over the years, but have had no such problem with them.
I'm always very gentle with my audio gear and don't bang it about.
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ebolawasher
from Dublin (Ireland) on 2007-01-18 07:44 [#02033977]
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Even expensive cables can lose it after a while. It's an awful expense when you buy good ones.
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uviol
from United States on 2007-01-18 09:11 [#02034001]
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That's an excellent point. I've got 15+ year old Nintendo control pads that still work flawlessly, yet I buy a pair of headphones and a year later the audio jack wiggling begins. Something's off.. it's not just you.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2007-01-18 09:15 [#02034002]
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if you have a lot of gear and you change the setup a lot you could consider buying a ultrapatch
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-01-18 09:18 [#02034003]
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Wow, I know it's behringer, but £22 sounds really good value for money. Might have to look into that. Thanks Sadist.
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OK
on 2007-01-18 09:18 [#02034004]
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there's that spray thing that improves conections
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2007-01-18 09:19 [#02034006]
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i actially like jacks more than chinch - this connection type creeps the hell out of me.
the problem with jacks is that they aren't locked so they cannot turn - i understand this in walkmens but in proffesional audio gear it's a fuckin mistake. most of the jacks fuck up because of the turning around.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2007-01-18 09:21 [#02034009]
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i know it's behringer but i read a few reviews in professional magasines about it and they liked it.
i mean there is really nothing you coul do wrong in a patchbay - it's just inputs soldered together.
okay - you could audio quality on poor cables inside it but the connections are so short i doubt it would be ever noticeable.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-01-18 09:23 [#02034014]
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I hate audio jacks too. Pretty much all my headphones have had the familiar "stutter, drop to mono then die" syndrome despite being gold plated and of supposedly high quality.
I've had my sennheiser 650's for about 2-3 years now though, and they still work perfectly. And my shure e4cs are still kicking it too. So maybe my bad luck is finally over.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2007-01-18 10:40 [#02034050]
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Audio jacks are awful. The design is so bad. Why does the signal connect before the ground?!?!? BAD BAD BAD. They should have an optional screw cap over them which locks it in place when it is screwed up.
The most frequent failure mode is breakages where the cable connects to the plug assembly. I always buy ones with excessive strain relief and I never seem to have any problems.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-18 10:58 [#02034056]
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Definitely. I (and many other sound techie people I know) don't understand why someone hasn't made the mini XLR yet...
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OK
on 2007-01-18 11:02 [#02034060]
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the reason is that if they lasted, people wouldn't buy as much.
it's capitalism baby!!
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2007-01-18 11:56 [#02034076]
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XLR are not that good either. mini anything is generally rubbish. Should design a brand new small connector, not try and miniturise an existing format, 3.55mm jack plug for example. arghhh
I don't see why you would need mini XLR though. Just use jack plugs. The thing is, they work. The design is poor and they can break if abused, but that is true for all cables. Mini jacks are clearly the spawn of satan, but 1/4" ones are alright, despite the ground being the last thing to connect!
Like I said earlier, decent strain relief and well looked after 1/4"s will work fine for a studio context. Headphones are a different matter though.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-01-18 13:55 [#02034132]
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You can get much higher quality patchbays for only a few dollars more. The ultrapatch has major issues with channels bleeding into eachother.
I think it has something to do with the nature of the electronics inside. There is a moving part in most phone jacks that is an active part in the audio channel. That might have something to do with it.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-01-18 13:57 [#02034133]
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Not totally. There are different wiring selections that allow you different options in how the audio is distributed.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-19 10:47 [#02034509]
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The clip of XLRs stop them falling around.
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