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is it a good or a bad idea to mix tracks while a subwoofer is in use? what are the precautions? i really should go to school for this. |
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Are you mixing them professionally, no? Well then, who cares? |
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the important thing is that the subwoofer has to be designed to work with the satelites. and that it's a proper reference woofer, not a shitty logitech gaming one. i used to make tracks on my logitechs (2.1 system with woofer) and they sounded awfull. the logitechs pump up the bass and highs so you turn them down, afterwards you listen to the track on a system with a flat frequency curve and you hear like nothing. actually systems with subwoofers are getting more popular right now and many "professional" equipment companies are creating them. the thing is that with a woofer the satelites can be very compact and don't use up much space on the mixing desk - great for small home-studios |
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You mix using the most neutral speakers you can get. Sub Woofers are not neutral. |
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this system for example is a perfect solution |
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not true - a woofer can show you things that you won't hear on normal speakers, like some rumble noise, microphone pops etc. |
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db; maybe not professional but im giving it my best shot- sadist, it's the sub from this set: , 109watts i think. it was only 50 dollars ! what i like about the sub is, its a bit more interactive i guess, stuff can be a bit more brutal or mean. makes doing tracks shit loads cooler cause you can feel the lows right there, but, everyone does not have a subwoofer. but yeah thankfully it has a remote on/off switch , i'll be turning it off when doing mixes and just using the KRK's for monitoring. it sucks that not everyone owns a subwoofer! |
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that system will lie to you in every frequency range so you can just put the sub on and it won't matter - you won't get a proper mix on this... okay i'm overreacting. as long as you will listen to your tracks on other stuff as well and correct it it's possible to make a proper mix. also - use some frequency analysers which will always tell you the truth |
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i use izotope ozone 3 for that, any other ones you reccomend? |
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you're better of mixing on your krk's then on that cheap set you have linked. forget about that subwoofer thing. when you're mixing your speakers don't have to sound cool. but they have to sound as neutral(boring might be the word) as possible. monitors are actually "bad" speakers for casual listening. just get to know your speakers and try make a good mix on that. |
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its just the subwoofer from that set, the tweeters arent there. my krk monitors are still in use. really its just that having the sub on while recording stuff and sequencing/editing makes it a lot cooler, more 'there', bigger |
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Personally, I suggest against krk's altogether if you are trying to get a realistic mix. They are way too bass rich. What giginger said is correct, you don't want something that flavors your sound, which is what subwoofers are designed to do. You want something that gives you as flat and uneffected a sound as possible. |
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as sadist said, the key to making a good mix is bouncing it around to different systems and making sure it sounds good on all or the majority of them. car speakers ive found are particularly good at smashing your hopes of having made a good mix. im not saying to mix using them, but once youve got something sounding right on a big hifi system and crappy car speakers, youre pretty much golden. |
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Dude, don't use something made for affordable home theatre in your studio, unless you are done your mix and want to hear what it sounds like on an affordable home theatre. Rule of thumb: if you want to hear what something sounds like on a cheap ghetto blaster, use a cheap ghetto blaster. If you want to hear what something sounds like through a really nice home stereo, use a really nice home stereo. If you want to hear what your music sounds like in a studio environment, use studio monitors. Always try to keep your speakers in context when mixing. Generally the companies will design the different things to different specifications for different reasons, and not paying attention to that can screw you up. |
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awesome advice guys!! thank you!! |
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this is an old song i have remixed using the sub as a 'bass' reference -- i dont have the old one to compare to but could maybe a few of you listen to it and tell me how it sounds on your speakers, i dont have any thing elsein the house to really test it on. on my setup however it sounds great |
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sub\/\/ ? |
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Serious Audiophiles + Cygnus' half baked Ae homage = SYNTAX ERRORZ: DOES NOT COMPUTER |
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It helps if you don't try to think about it too hard. |
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To be fair I just gave it a cursory dismissal. |
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you have to see this mental image i have of you every time i see you post in disgust of me or my art, its hilarious, you like get upset whenever i do anything. go see a doctor |
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I'm flicking the V's at you, quite disinterestedly, from behind my laptop. |
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It's very fuzzy sounding on my headphones. |
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cygnus, with a sub room placement and integration is half of the problem. |
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db: what are V's?? map: i noticed the same, sound changes a lot when im not sitting at the ddesk - versus standing near the doorway, ive noticed when walking away |
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this took me a few minutes but it's pretty accurate of what i think you look like in these situations |
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too much hair, not enough eyebrow |
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Can a 109Watt speaker really be called a 'sub' woofer though. It's more like just an an outboard woofer. |
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i thought cygnus only had a laptop |
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LOL |
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So, I really liked the first half of that, though I thought the kick drum sounded too random/misplaced. The second half I didn't really like. I think what your problem is is your are trying to squeeze too much bass out of it. Instead of just trying to turn up the bass, why don't you use more eq's and bass enhancers? |
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this took me a few minutes but it's pretty accurate of what i think you look like in these situations |
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i'm a luminscent hydrodozoa with 2 english b-boys tattoed on my face |
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Cygnus: If you want to use a sub woofer, you will need to position it correctly. If you move around the room a lot, the level will change quite a lot. The sub uses low frequencies. As you should know, wavelength is inversly proportional to frequency, so as the frequency goes down, the wavelength will go up. You will now have to imagine longitudinal waves coming from the speaker, reflecting off walls, etc and adding/subtracting to form standing waves. If your imagination is up to it, you can probably see that with high frequencies the space between cancellation and superposition is small. However with low frequency it is large. This means that for a low frequency, you cannot move your head a small amount to go from a low amplitude to high amplitude as you can for higher frequencies. Also with low frequencies, the distance between your ears is small enough that both ears can be situated on a low amplitude part of the standing wave and you turn up the bass even more to compensate,so the mix sounds crap. HOW TO POSITION SUB: Place the sub on the chair you intend to sit on and position chair where it will be used. Now play something through the sub only. Ideally a bass line on a loop, you can figure something out. Now crawl around the floor listening for where the bass is loudest. Once you have found the spot, put the sub there. As you sit back in the chair, you should be in a position where it is loudest, i.e. better representation of actual bass amplitude. Hope that is of some use to you. I'd make sure that you test drive any stuff you do on an average consumer hifi system as well, just to make sure that the bass isn't so sub that it can't be heard on a normal setup, and everything else sounds ok. |
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From now on, I'll call you dob_bliss. Just so you know. |
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ah fuck i meant dog_bliss sorry dob |
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