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They're great, aren't they? Making their voices heard, telling the world what the next generation thinks. Saying "Hey, we're not pricks, at all. We're not kids that need education and to just shut the fuck up until we know what we're talking about". The young today, what with global media, now have balanced, informed views, and what they might lack in experience, they make up for with their intelligent, political insight. They can certainly teach us old ones a thing or two. |
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would you have learned anything at all if someone told you to shut up whenever you said something? |
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"I promi5e we will unfreese you han solo" "gooooo rePUBlicans!!!" *pom poms* |
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I'd have probably appreciated later on in life being told not to do a nazi salute over a dictator laying in state, but in your extreme liberal view I guess I should've been offered that opportunity to royally fuck up on a global scale. |
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Laugh OnLine |
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oh, you were referring to some particular case? link? anyway, on a general basis, I'd say letting people make their mistakes leads to lessons better learned. |
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They are playing a game of levitate Pinochet. I heard it was one of his favourite games. |
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It kind of was related to the picture the accompanies the post on this historic day in Latin American history. |
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You know who else learned from his mistakes? Hitler. |
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yes, I understood that much, but I wasn't able to recognise the dead guy. I know pinochet has recently died, but what, more precisely, is the issue here? I can't figure out if they're protesting or saluting him from just the picture and your posts are ambiguous. |
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I bet many other people did too |
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He was a great man. Overthrew the Chiliean Marxist government and then allegedly tortured those who opposed him. However the Nazi salute has no relevance to either his life or his alleged actions...something I 'think' dan_belch was referring to. |
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They're doing a fucking nazi salute over the dead body of a recently fucking deceased, polemical dictator, the action of which has then been photographed and reproduced in a national newspaper and globally on the Internet. Fuck me, don't dare go into a 24 paragraph diatribe about the fallibility of perception and interpretation. |
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yes, I know about pinochet himself and what he did.. probably not all, but I know enough. However, this nazi salute could just as well be a protest as it could be an honorific salute to him. |
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im not Political,Active or Young now if you said World class couch potato... |
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I'm just wondering what the story is. Are they doing it because they're protesting or are they honestly saluting him? There's a difference there, you know. |
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Which appears to be the real point belchy was making. |
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that it's impossible to tell from the picture what the hell is really going on? |
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You wouldn't be that either, despite your Mr Potato Head looks. :P |
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I mean, was the story just the picture or were there words besides it? maybe you didn't read the words? |
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Dunno. I'm not really bothered because it's all about levitation. Y'all just interpreting it wrong as a Nazi salute. |
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oh you slut you :D |
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As Ecnad says, you know what they mean, but it's ... wrong, it's got nothing to do with Pinochet, far from, regardless of what he did. But they've got a funny view of WWII / Nazis here anyway, must be the influence of all the fucking Nazis that hot footed it down here when the game was up. I'm sure Hitler would've rofld at the latino neonazis strutting around, quite distinct from his Arayan vision. |
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Ok, the words are, though the picture paints them quite clearly, that they are saluting him, ok. Let's go from there. |
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I have no idea what they mean yet but I'm going to go lie down on my floor for a while |
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Who would "protest" by doing a nazi salute at someone? You'd at least have to accompany it with the finger under the nose doing the comedy Freddy Starr Hitler moustache. |
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that was more uncomfortable than I first imagined. |
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it's a protest in a way.. since he wasn't a nazi, people doing a nazi salute to him meaning it bad, meaning he was like a nazi and that a nazi was a bad thing would be a protest. however, now that you've actually said what they're doing I have actually heard something about people becoming more extreme lately, there are more nazis in germany again and just generally more extremists on any side of anything. In this case, I guess there just isn't enough awareness of past errors made by other people.. hitlers errors weren't big enough to reach everyone.. or maybe people are forgetting? the world needs more hippies or something |
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that first "it's" should probably be "it could be" or something. |
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But this why I said, in the first place, before kids start spouting "Politics", they should learn something from history first. Because just picking up a mish mash of their dad's lazy right wing (political not economical) prejudice that occassionally drunkenly lapses into "Hitler was right" isn't the best way to go about things. |
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well, there is indeed some truth to that.. making informed choices > making uninformed choices. Part of the problem doesn't necessarily have to be just that they don't bother with finding out stuff, but rather that education or information on it isn't as strong as it should be. We here in Europe still have a sort of proximity to the problem, so it's hard to grow up without knowing about the errors made. Over there it could be more of an obscure issue what, exactly, happened. However, some of the older people still remember it and don't feel they need to educate the young ones about it because they assume they grow up knowing about it like they did. I hope it won't, but right now it looks like the same shit is starting to happen here.. I heard some nazi party in germany (of all places) is gaining votes, but up until now, most of the "nazis" around here are just glorified racists... |
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And often times they take opposite side of their fathers political views just to spite him. That's even sadder. |
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it's not just young people, though, but i guess young people are more visible and prominent |
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Which party of organized crime do you belong to? |
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I may be getting a migraine or at least a sort of headache, but I wish you all the best of luck with existence |
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well, there is indeed some truth to that.. making informed choices > making uninformed choices. Yeah but theres just something a little off about a kid telling you a really forward and direct opinion that you obviously know he never would have consciously thought unless it was crammed into his head by his dad or school teacher. It sort of has a way of making you feel like you're dealing with an adopted clone of a figurehead, and if anything, you'de rather converse about the matter with that figurehead, if you even wanted to in the first place. |
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Well, I just look forward to those guys shrugging off their actions when the apply for a job with anyone other than the local fringe fascist off licence "Mein Campari". |
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as an aside, i spent 4 hours reading about neo-nazis on wikipedia last night. two interesting cases: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Myatt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi as for the thread.. well yes, they're a bit ignorant aren't they? the only good that will come of this is the tarnishing of an awful cunt's funeral, but the reality of it really is a bit worrying. |
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There's a thin line between esoteric nazism and Dungeons & Dragons. |
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yeah, and that would be uninformed |
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hey guys what's going on in this thread |
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Nothing that you couldn't sample and put beats to. |
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I recommend you all go download Jan Eggum - Kor E Alle Helter Hen |
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I lol'd, so hard. |
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I have to agree with your sentiment here, at least in the USA. One of my biggest pet peeves is the inexplicably ubiquitous encouragement of friends, family, authority figures, celebrities.. you name it.. to vote because it's my 'civic duty,' and because I should 'take part in the democratic system.' It's nonsense.. nothing but twisted political rhetoric used to influence a very gullable target. This makes me think 'Sorry I'm not living up to the better, more 'responsible' end of your optimistic false binary, but it is *not* my duty to partake in this government system simply for its own sake.' 'Vote or die', 'rock the vote', 'doesn't matter who you vote for, just vote!' Um, no. When MTV tells me to vote, it's essentially a (badly) masked liberal plea, when my church/school etc tells me to vote, it's a presumptuos conservative plea. It has nothing to do with individuality, democracy, or truth at all. This is not even to mention that as a 'young person' I have no vested interest in the nation, as I am not a significant property owner, and have had no time to accumulate anything I'd be worried about getting tax breaks on. On non-economic matters, I'm cripplingly agnostic and have no noteworthy convictions about gay marriage, death penalty, or abortion (aside from mild biases resulting from upbringing and gut reaction). I'm completely ill informed because of the skewed privatized news media and lack of real answers on any given issue, and I have not done my research on the candidates both for this reason and because I am too lazy at times.. and, even if I had done my research, my vote would probably be determined more by physical appearance and peer pressure. The real sacrifice, the real 'responsible' course of action, is to have the decency to realize when and when not to vote. |
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and anyways, it's been pointed out a million times that if voting could change anything, it wouldn't be allowed. |
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Jesus, Drunken Mastah, it's not that complicated |
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you should vote, but you should probably vote blank or for some proper alternative if there is one. It doesn't matter if you know the alternative won't get "enough" votes, just vote for them. |
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it's probably more complicated. |
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pinochet was a nasty bit of work from my point of view. i would have done that to his body to make a point, not to show respect. just to show that he was just a fucking nazi and not worth honouring in this way. |
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