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offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-23 03:38 [#02006533]
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what is your opinion of the organization??


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 03:40 [#02006535]
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they dance naked on the tables


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 03:40 [#02006536]
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i doubt theres as much to them as most people think,
especially this whole conspiracy shit about them controlling
the US.


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-23 03:41 [#02006537]
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listening this record...


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offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 03:43 [#02006539]
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yeap


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-23 03:46 [#02006541]
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it stretches into facts like george bush, tony blair all
obey pagan demon gods (baal, for example) and have blood
oaths to the world of masonry. that's a pretty intense thing
and would have a lot of implications, thats why i'm
skeptical



 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-23 03:51 [#02006543]
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you're using the word "fact" very loosely there.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-23 03:53 [#02006544]
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its probably easy to convince someone who dislikes the bush
administration that bush himself is a devil worshipping monk


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-23 03:53 [#02006545]
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they suck


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offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-23 03:54 [#02006546]
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ok, "accusations"? they make those kinds of accusations


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-23 03:58 [#02006550]
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see what is the probability that's just a coincidence???


 

offline jamesa from United Kingdom on 2006-11-23 04:00 [#02006551]
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nothing on the $1 bill is a coincidence


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-23 04:28 [#02006565]
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howcome no ones done shit about this???


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-23 04:30 [#02006566]
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the ones who could do something are the ones who placed
those symbols.

they're the freemasons.

and they are ugly.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 04:36 [#02006567]
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how come you haven't done anything yet?


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-11-23 04:38 [#02006568]
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The conspiracy against the freemasons was very likely
started by the catholic church. The catholic church did not
like secretive organizations, and it was considered a sin
for an organization as such to operate without any hand in
the church.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-11-23 04:41 [#02006570]
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If you are going to believe any conspiracy, don't you want
the assurance that it is spun by the same trustworthy people
who brought you the Jewish conspiracy, the pagan conspiracy
and the muslim conspiracy? The catholic church. A name you
can trust. Easy answers made easier.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 04:41 [#02006571]
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hihi, they're not allowed to have secret meetings here in
norway; they're required by law to let anyone who'd like to
come in and watch...


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-11-23 04:42 [#02006572]
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The catholic church. The church you can set your watch to.


 

offline Sclah from Freudian Slipmat on 2006-11-23 04:43 [#02006574]
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They're just a secret boys' club for grown men, who like to
sit in a chesterfield lounge drinking cognac while talking
about women and sports, and partake in silly rituals.

They also love tasteless bling


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-11-23 04:44 [#02006577]
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Well, now at least. But the organization is hundreds of
years old. These conspiracies are very old. They didn't just
pop up in the sixties.

Right about now they are a totally harmless group of
shriners, with about as much melevolent ambitions as the boy
scouts.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 04:47 [#02006580]
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well, they have actually been involved in a few cases of
corruption, like someone favouring another member when
hiring people and stuff like that, and some members are in
high-up positions, but I don't think it goes farther than
corruption right now; it isn't very likely that they're some
kind of shadow government.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 04:48 [#02006581]
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a shadow government would probably be something you'd never
ever heard of.. like the patriots in mgs or something.. or..
maybe they're hiding in plain sight?! OMG THAT'S
BRILLITANTA!!!!!!!11!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 04:49 [#02006582]
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I'm paid by them to spread doubt btw

did you see how I just hid in plain sight? eh? eh?


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-11-23 04:50 [#02006583]
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Exactly. Its no different than any other club of its sort.
Or university for that matter.

I do think the whole church made conspiracy holds more water
than anything else I have heard about the masons so far.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-11-23 04:51 [#02006585]
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So, who here has read the illuminatus trillogy?


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-23 04:55 [#02006586]
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haha my old avatar was their compass and 90 degree
triangle.
I study the freemasons quite a bit...from texts written by
freemasons to text against freemasons, I used to work with a
guy who was in the freemasons, very open about somethings
and others not so much. They are also tied to the poor
knights of christ

anything you wish to know ill answer the best I can


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 04:57 [#02006587]
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yeh its the illuminati youve got to worry about. my
solicitor is a freemason and theres nothing in it
apparently.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 04:58 [#02006589]
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Is it true that if you look into the eyes of a freemason he
can turn you to stone with the snakes in his hair?


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-23 04:58 [#02006590]
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the illuminati have done a good job of making it seem like
they never existed


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-23 04:59 [#02006592]
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nah thats just an old wives tale, but they can guess your
weight while juggling cats quite accurately


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 05:03 [#02006594]
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they used to be a lot more powerful then they are these
days, is that right? they can sometimes influence on a
national level to a degree (helping to get laws passed that
their in favour of etc) but no way on an international
level?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 05:04 [#02006596]
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hm

I suspected this, but I never thought it had gone as far as
it has

it seems it is time to act!


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 05:05 [#02006598]
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crikey thats full of awful english


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-23 05:16 [#02006605]
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Indeed it seems as if their power has diminished. There were
so many promient members like mozart and handel, including a
large number of presidents. Its funny because there are a
lot of christian and catholic churchs around here with huge
compasses and the sacred geometry symbol.

Perhaps an interesting fact: Look at symbolic artwork done
by freemasons they normally have 2 pillars in them, they are
the earth and the heaven pillars. this symbolism is similiar
to that of the Cathars. It ties to their saying "As above
so below" or trying to recreate "heaven" on earth.
The old distress calling for masons (to find help from other
masons without letting anyone else know they were members
was) "Is there no help for the Son of a Widow?"

If interested I can tell you what this means


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-23 05:25 [#02006610]
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i mean if theyre indeed a fucking cult of demon worshippers
and they are integral with the government and the economy i
live under -- i would indeed fucking do something, but, what
can i do? who can i go sabotage of punch? i would need an
army


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-23 05:27 [#02006611]
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and i thought the illuminati were basically the same as the
freemason?


 

offline Sclah from Freudian Slipmat on 2006-11-23 05:30 [#02006613]
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That is a bit worrying. Most of the members comes from the
upper strata of society, and although there's no implicit
nepotism (I believe they have rules against it), they still
have this strong social network where they make deals and
agreements outside the public domain.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 05:33 [#02006616]
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you can do lots of stuff; you can start an organisation; you
can gather your friends and do a protest; you can try to
investigate matters to put things in to plain sight; the
possibilities are almost endless. And many others before you
have started with only themselves and built a huge
organisation, built world-spanning networks, made things
happen
. There's nothing stopping you, only yourself. If
everyone thinks "what can I do?" nothing will happen, and
it's only because of themselves. Sometimes you just need to
push a little bit to start the avalanche.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 05:34 [#02006619]
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yeah

but it's basically very much like other ways of
"networking": if you have a competent friend and there's an
opening at the place where you work, you can recommend him,
and the boss will consider him based on your recommendation
(if you're employee of the month tenth year running, your
recommendation will most likely have some weight).


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-23 05:39 [#02006623]
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nah two different things the illuminati was originally a
bunch of scientist from around newtons time that were
supposed to prove Gods existance through science...but were
later tortured by the church. this led to their hate of
religion...of course this is just one theory, some say they
are much much older, descendents from egypt, tied to mystery
schools. Or even before that, what the real belief is in my
theory:

There was a group of people who thought/think the god in the
old testiment is actually an evil god who tried to blind us
of knowledge. the opposing force called satan (which
literially means adversary or opposing force) tried to free
us of our ignorance by having adam and eve eat from the tree
of knowledge. Satan or lucifer means the illuminated one or
the morning star. The one of knowledge, so the illuminati
are actually followers of this opposing force which frees us
of our ignorance and blindness.

Mind you I dont believe this idea personally, I shall keep
my own beliefs to myself.


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-23 05:40 [#02006625]
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there was an anti freemasonry party in america when
washington was around!


 

offline zero-cool on 2006-11-23 06:04 [#02006637]
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one in 9 people are masons


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-23 06:06 [#02006638]
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"a few cases of corruption"?!

that's the whole point of the freemasons.. they look out for
eachother. one gets in trouble, another helps out. there's
nothing sinister to it at all. it's just a secret society.


 

offline DiaZoHeXagoN from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-23 06:10 [#02006639]
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agreed to a certain extent, unless of course you were
covering up for some massive crime...

Also I believe this may have more to do with the fact that
in conspiracy theories freemasons have much power behind the
scenes.

The stone that the builder refuse shall be the head corner
stone


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 06:23 [#02006642]
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yeah, but in that respect it doesn't differ much from other
ways of networking. of course there should always be
fair dealings, it's just that you'd have to do something to
make sure all interests are out. over here, they're usually
smart, keeping out of the decisionmaking when it comes to
fellow masons, and other people do the same with friends and
family members (in professional contexts), but I don't think
it's something the freemasons tend to deman, it's just poor
judgement of certin people.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 06:24 [#02006643]
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*demand


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-23 06:24 [#02006644]
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and certain

wot happen?


 

offline chambre noire from Iceland on 2006-11-23 06:59 [#02006658]
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check out Alex Jones' documentary Bohemian Grove + Order Of
Death, they're up for free on google video, and loads of
torrent sites


 

offline entelechy from Brisbane (Australia) on 2006-11-23 07:24 [#02006676]
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My neighbour (he's gota be about 60 now) was in the
Freemasons when he was younger, for a good few years.

According to him, they were a fairly unassuming group, that
is until he began working his way up the ranks. Eventually,
he reached a certain level and they began to introduce him
to the mystical/ ritualistic aspects of the group. Anyway,
it got REALLY INTENSE, powerful magical shit, and he
basicaly flipped out and left.

Coming from a pretty credible guy.

Oh, and that business about the Illuminati and the Old
Testament God, sounds similar to Gnostic beliefs- who see
the OT God as the "Demiurge", an arrogant and foolish being
that thinks it is the one true God, hence its vengeful
nature


 


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