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what is your opinion of the organization?? |
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they dance naked on the tables |
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i doubt theres as much to them as most people think, especially this whole conspiracy shit about them controlling the US. |
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listening this record... |
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yeap |
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it stretches into facts like george bush, tony blair all obey pagan demon gods (baal, for example) and have blood oaths to the world of masonry. that's a pretty intense thing and would have a lot of implications, thats why i'm skeptical |
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you're using the word "fact" very loosely there. |
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its probably easy to convince someone who dislikes the bush administration that bush himself is a devil worshipping monk |
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they suck |
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ok, "accusations"? they make those kinds of accusations |
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see what is the probability that's just a coincidence??? |
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nothing on the $1 bill is a coincidence |
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howcome no ones done shit about this??? |
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the ones who could do something are the ones who placed those symbols. they're the freemasons. and they are ugly. |
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how come you haven't done anything yet? |
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The conspiracy against the freemasons was very likely started by the catholic church. The catholic church did not like secretive organizations, and it was considered a sin for an organization as such to operate without any hand in the church. |
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If you are going to believe any conspiracy, don't you want the assurance that it is spun by the same trustworthy people who brought you the Jewish conspiracy, the pagan conspiracy and the muslim conspiracy? The catholic church. A name you can trust. Easy answers made easier. |
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hihi, they're not allowed to have secret meetings here in norway; they're required by law to let anyone who'd like to come in and watch... |
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The catholic church. The church you can set your watch to. |
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They're just a secret boys' club for grown men, who like to sit in a chesterfield lounge drinking cognac while talking about women and sports, and partake in silly rituals. They also love |
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Well, now at least. But the organization is hundreds of years old. These conspiracies are very old. They didn't just pop up in the sixties. Right about now they are a totally harmless group of shriners, with about as much melevolent ambitions as the boy scouts. |
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well, they have actually been involved in a few cases of corruption, like someone favouring another member when hiring people and stuff like that, and some members are in high-up positions, but I don't think it goes farther than corruption right now; it isn't very likely that they're some kind of shadow government. |
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a shadow government would probably be something you'd never ever heard of.. like the patriots in mgs or something.. or.. maybe they're hiding in plain sight?! OMG THAT'S BRILLITANTA!!!!!!!11! |
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I'm paid by them to spread doubt btw did you see how I just hid in plain sight? eh? eh? |
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Exactly. Its no different than any other club of its sort. Or university for that matter. I do think the whole church made conspiracy holds more water than anything else I have heard about the masons so far. |
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So, who here has read the illuminatus trillogy? |
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haha my old avatar was their compass and 90 degree triangle. I study the freemasons quite a bit...from texts written by freemasons to text against freemasons, I used to work with a guy who was in the freemasons, very open about somethings and others not so much. They are also tied to the poor knights of christ anything you wish to know ill answer the best I can |
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yeh its the illuminati youve got to worry about. my solicitor is a freemason and theres nothing in it apparently. |
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Is it true that if you look into the eyes of a freemason he can turn you to stone with the snakes in his hair? |
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the illuminati have done a good job of making it seem like they never existed |
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nah thats just an old wives tale, but they can guess your weight while juggling cats quite accurately |
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they used to be a lot more powerful then they are these days, is that right? they can sometimes influence on a national level to a degree (helping to get laws passed that their in favour of etc) but no way on an international level? |
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hm I suspected this, but I never thought it had gone as far as it has it seems it is time to act! |
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crikey thats full of awful english |
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Indeed it seems as if their power has diminished. There were so many promient members like mozart and handel, including a large number of presidents. Its funny because there are a lot of christian and catholic churchs around here with huge compasses and the sacred geometry symbol. Perhaps an interesting fact: Look at symbolic artwork done by freemasons they normally have 2 pillars in them, they are the earth and the heaven pillars. this symbolism is similiar to that of the Cathars. It ties to their saying "As above so below" or trying to recreate "heaven" on earth. The old distress calling for masons (to find help from other masons without letting anyone else know they were members was) "Is there no help for the Son of a Widow?" If interested I can tell you what this means |
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i mean if theyre indeed a fucking cult of demon worshippers and they are integral with the government and the economy i live under -- i would indeed fucking do something, but, what can i do? who can i go sabotage of punch? i would need an army |
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and i thought the illuminati were basically the same as the freemason? |
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That is a bit worrying. Most of the members comes from the upper strata of society, and although there's no implicit nepotism (I believe they have rules against it), they still have this strong social network where they make deals and agreements outside the public domain. |
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you can do lots of stuff; you can start an organisation; you can gather your friends and do a protest; you can try to investigate matters to put things in to plain sight; the possibilities are almost endless. And many others before you have started with only themselves and built a huge organisation, built world-spanning networks, made things happen. There's nothing stopping you, only yourself. If everyone thinks "what can I do?" nothing will happen, and it's only because of themselves. Sometimes you just need to push a little bit to start the avalanche. |
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yeah but it's basically very much like other ways of "networking": if you have a competent friend and there's an opening at the place where you work, you can recommend him, and the boss will consider him based on your recommendation (if you're employee of the month tenth year running, your recommendation will most likely have some weight). |
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nah two different things the illuminati was originally a bunch of scientist from around newtons time that were supposed to prove Gods existance through science...but were later tortured by the church. this led to their hate of religion...of course this is just one theory, some say they are much much older, descendents from egypt, tied to mystery schools. Or even before that, what the real belief is in my theory: There was a group of people who thought/think the god in the old testiment is actually an evil god who tried to blind us of knowledge. the opposing force called satan (which literially means adversary or opposing force) tried to free us of our ignorance by having adam and eve eat from the tree of knowledge. Satan or lucifer means the illuminated one or the morning star. The one of knowledge, so the illuminati are actually followers of this opposing force which frees us of our ignorance and blindness. Mind you I dont believe this idea personally, I shall keep my own beliefs to myself. |
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there was an anti freemasonry party in america when washington was around! |
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one in 9 people are masons |
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"a few cases of corruption"?! that's the whole point of the freemasons.. they look out for eachother. one gets in trouble, another helps out. there's nothing sinister to it at all. it's just a secret society. |
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agreed to a certain extent, unless of course you were covering up for some massive crime... Also I believe this may have more to do with the fact that in conspiracy theories freemasons have much power behind the scenes. The stone that the builder refuse shall be the head corner stone |
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yeah, but in that respect it doesn't differ much from other ways of networking. of course there should always be fair dealings, it's just that you'd have to do something to make sure all interests are out. over here, they're usually smart, keeping out of the decisionmaking when it comes to fellow masons, and other people do the same with friends and family members (in professional contexts), but I don't think it's something the freemasons tend to deman, it's just poor judgement of certin people. |
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*demand |
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and certain wot happen? |
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check out Alex Jones' documentary Bohemian Grove + Order Of Death, they're up for free on google video, and loads of torrent sites |
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My neighbour (he's gota be about 60 now) was in the Freemasons when he was younger, for a good few years. According to him, they were a fairly unassuming group, that is until he began working his way up the ranks. Eventually, he reached a certain level and they began to introduce him to the mystical/ ritualistic aspects of the group. Anyway, it got REALLY INTENSE, powerful magical shit, and he basicaly flipped out and left. Coming from a pretty credible guy. Oh, and that business about the Illuminati and the Old Testament God, sounds similar to Gnostic beliefs- who see the OT God as the "Demiurge", an arrogant and foolish being that thinks it is the one true God, hence its vengeful nature |
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