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I've been drinking a lot lately. A lot on a regular basis, and a lot on weekends. I've decided to try and quite for a month and see how it works out. The thing is, i often have some red wine when i'm sitting there making music. I think everything i make sounds great, and the next day when i wake up and give it a sober listen, i think it sounds like shit. Also, if i smoke some hash (wich i do once in a while) music just sounds so much better. I remember lying flat on my back with one of my friends, listening to an AIR album, that i didnt care that much about before, but while stoned, it was suddenly the most beautiful thing i had ever heard. What do you think about drinking/using drugs while being creative/listening to music? One one hand, i think it distorts your good judgement on what you do. It makes things sound better than they are. On the other hand, i have a hard time imagining Pink floyd or the Beatles doing what they did without drug use.... |
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the solution: be intoxicated all of the time |
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Are you more creative when intoxicated? Yes. But mostly when it's weed. But what you really have to ask yourself is; can you make good music without being intoxicated, and is that music more true to yourself? ...vi må lige hooke op til en lille pind engang Johannes |
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I once tried making music after having smoked hasj. once. It was shit if I'm drunk when I make music, I make "funny" songs. songs that mostly are shit, but "funny." if I make music when I'm sober, I make better stuff (imo). |
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it's actually better making music after you smoked weed (i'm mean, when you're on the way down) cause you're more stoned and somehow patient - this mood is good for ambient stuff imo |
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I found that there was no difference between being "high" and being drunk neither in how I felt or acted nor in how I performed when making music. I'd rather make it sober. |
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I hear you can have good ideas while intoxicated, and can apply them later, but if you try to make music in that state, it almost invariably ends up being shit. But I wouldn't know, I never tried. I've just read a lot of artists mention this. |
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I'd agree that hash is a more creative substance than alcohol. I havent made music while being high, but i draw a lot, and i've actually made some stuff i was quite happy about while being high. The comic i have syndicated is made on a couple of stoned nights. Being drunk, if i'm with my friends it great fun to make music in fruityloops, but its mostly a tekst to speach machine saying something obscene over an techno track. Good fun. Steven: Klart! Jeg kommer bare aldrig til Ålborg, så du må bare råbe op når du er ved de her kanter! |
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Also, i think my nr. 1 motivation is probably boredom. My best stuff comes from times when i really have nothing else to do, and have to entertain myself in some way, and at the same time feeling ambitious. I think it has something to do with how i was brought up. If i said to my mom or dad "i'm bored", they would simply hand me pen and paper and tell me to do something. Yes, they where hippies... |
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hasj doesn't make you neither more creative nor, in my experience, any calmer, than alcohol. I believe the effects most people seem to feel as a result of smoking hasj are socially constructed, and that you could probably get the same result if someone had convinced you sniffing flour had that effect on you. |
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dude...I seriously smoked 10 or 20 times before I actually stopped puking (I smoked bong heavily) and learned to control my high - that was about there I started learning that everything sounded different in audio and that my mind worked on a different level music-vise. |
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I understand what you're saying, but i disagree 100% It's very different. Alcohol never made me curl up in a sofa and laugh at the thought of captain haddock for 1 1/2 hours |
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what are you on about? I never puked, I just felt slightly drunk and I figured it's way more comfortable and way tastier to just get drunk than it is smoking hasj if I want to get stupid, so I'll keep to my alcohol. |
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im cutting back on drink too. too much money, too unhealthy. i came up with one of my best track ideas while pissed, so maybe alcohol does have its virtues (other than getting you pissed) |
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It sounds like you smoked shit hash, wich is likely since you live in Norway :P |
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don't talk crazy. you're too young to be cutting back on such things |
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maybe not, but that could just as well be because you have been told that's what happens when you smoke hasj. I can only relate to my personal experience which tells me it's no different from alcohol, implying that the effect isn't as much biological as it is psychological. |
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haha my liver (or where i gather it should be) really ached a few mornings ago. scared the shit out of me! |
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the other guys were acting all like you'd expect them to from it, but I think they'd do it even if we'd been smoking some placebo or pure tobacco or something... |
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Try it again! |
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nah I don't like inhaling stuff plus I don't like the taste of hasj which just makes it even less worth it. |
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drunken mastah you are so very wrong, I dont know how you can say what you say with such conviction, your personal experience doesnt sound very conclusive. I never feel like making music if im heavily intoxicated but it goes well with being a little bit intoxicated, and on the tail-end of being very stoned is good too. generally drunk and creative dont really go together that well. |
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it is precisely because I've tried it I can say it with such conviction; I have more or less the same biology as the rest of you, so why shouldn't it affect me the same as you? But then it didn't.. it affected me just like alcohol does. |
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Like someone said, with certain psychoactives ideas flow freely, but implementation is best left to the period after, to the cooling down and reorientation period... As for alcohol, it rarely gives you great ideas, mainly because it's dumbing you down as you go along, although some addicts (read: poets) will swear to its worth. Drunken Mastah, I'm familiar with the social contruction theory of intoxication effects (it has been proposed in the case of alcohol too, and you can see Derren Brown do some funny shit with this), and I think all mental states and emotions can be accessed by controlled breathing, meditation or jogging, for example. But most neophytes are at loss as to the purported power of hash, and all too easily put it down on suggestibility or something after a few unsuccessful tries, whereas anybody who has experienced the states described in the literature knows that it ain't no BS, and it certainly ain't akin to the silly-funny-stupid antics caused by ethanol. ps. autechre+alcohol=killjoy |
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oh, right, hasj doesn't dumb you down. |
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BUT, you base your whole vision of what hash is all about on your own experience. Cool enough, but this also makes you say that it's some kind of mass hysteria from our side. "maybe not, but that could just as well be because you have been told that's what happens when you smoke hasj." I don't even feel like discussing it, because it's simply just WRONG to make that claim. One of these things is the problem with your hash experience: 1: The hash was crappy. I think this is pretty likely, as it usually is worse quality, and more expensive in Norway 2: You didnt inhale properly (Bill Clinton style) 3: Your body responds differently to Hash than humans generally do. There is a chance of this, as different people respond differently to different drugs. |
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BUT, you base your whole vision of what hash is all about on your own experience and you don't? |
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Well yes. Me and the millions of other persons that described its properties in words, music, art. |
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oh, and I should probably mention that the once applies only to my attempts to make music while under the influence I've smoked it a few times.. maybe five or seven so (one of the guys I live with smokes regularly), but it never had any particularly different effect from alcohol. thus I stopped because it's so annoying coughing and it tastes bad. |
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autechre + alcohol = brain haemorrhage |
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Well alright, you don't have the same experiences when you smoke. Just because you don't get the same feelings from it, doesnt mean nobody else does. |
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Alcohol sometimes makes me more creative, but at the same time makes me less focused and devoted. BTW, when you smoke cigarettes while drinking Coke Light / Diet Coke it tastes like hash. At least in my experience. In English, does "weed" refer to marihuana, hash (the brown stuff) or all forms of cannabis? |
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I think it's nice in every way. |
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The thought of Captain Haddock in that context made me laugh - not for several hours, but at least a minute |
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I'm not saying you don't get the feeling, I'm just saying you're responsible for it being the way it is; hasj doesn't seem to have some uniform effect, but rather, as with alcohol, it makes you a bit more stupid and at the same time a bit more "loose," allowing yourself to do the stuff that "intoxicated people" do. |
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Ah, now were getting somewhere, where we might actually agree. Ofcourse, an high could never have an uniform effect. It's differs from what mood you are in, certainly. Still, there is some fundemental difference in the effect of alcohol and hash (in my book). I often feel great, and happy when i'm drunk, but i never had a laughing fit while drunk. Not like when i smoke. |
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Actually the full story is, i'm supposed to sleep at this party, but i just can't fall asleep. Then i go out to get some water, and this guy is lighting up a joint. I get some drags from it, and it's like the strongest shit ever. I try and go back to sleep, but the mental image of captani haddock keeps haunting me. Then suddenly, i begin imagining a little crab coming in, looking very angry and shouting "where are those blasted captain haddock pills" (hvor er de forbistrede kaptajn haddock piller" That sentence just made it even harder to fall asleep, as i began laughing every time i thought about it. It only made it more funny, that a girl that was trying to sleep some place near me kept going "shhhh!". |
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you already believed there would be a difference the first time you tried it. I didn't. I believed something completely different would happen.. I thought I'd start hallucinating or something, but then it was just like being drunk. I guess not producing hallucinations is a more objective effect of hasj. |
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I don't hallucinate either. It's just, i FEEL stuff much more intensely. Especially music, or some weird/funny ideas i have clogged up. Maybe you should try mushrooms or LSD |
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yeah, hasj doesn't produce hallucinations, but I somehow had that idea before I tried it... I never really felt any music any more intensely either. It was just drunkenness and no, I don't want to try mushrooms or lsd. I want my alcohol stupidity, and nothing more. |
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Stupidity is good. I once saw a philosopher (figured it might interest you) that simply tried to be as stupid as humanly possible. Pretty amusing. |
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the first times i smoked weed I just felt confused and a bit uncomfortable in my body, i suppose I can see why you might think its like being drunk. its different after you get used to it for some reason. and also - it does affect people in different ways, im sure you know this! some people drink and get violent, some people drink and go all introspective. I guess you think this is a social effect maybe. Also - there are plenty of very different kinds of cannabis, and cheap hash is about the least fun or effective of all of them. it may make you stupider but its a very different stupid |
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if stupidity is what you want, stupidity is what you get. there I agree with you. |
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stupidity is a way of relaxing, of not having to relate to other people as one normally would of course, that doesn't make it a good thing, but I know I feel like I need to unwind every once in a while and then it's good to be stupid. the problem with being sober and stupid is that people treat you differently, making it harder to forget that they demand to be treated in some particular way |
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any form of drug is stupidity. |
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being from denmark = being intoxicated ( no wonder they have the shortest lifelength in scandinavia, but on the other hand - they probably have fun as long as they're alive too... :D ) |
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Exactly!!! |
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produce the structure of your music while sober. sketch out ideas when you are drinking/intoxicated. mix down your stuff when you are sober. once you have mixed things down, then smoke and listen. prepare to be mind fucked by yourself. |
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a small cry for help here; since I've stopped smoking weed, listening to music, films, and video-games seem far less interesting. Music and films are the least affected, although I miss how music sounded when I was high and how films sucked me in, but I simply cannot play games anymore withouth feeling like I'm far too old for such nonsense (silly I know, but it is impossible to get involved.) Very annoying. I don't want to be a slave to a plant. |
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