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i have lots of friends who are way older than me -- i notice that a lot of the time when they say something that's the complete opposite of something they would've said when they were younger, they say its because, "well, ive grown up.", "i've learned a lot in my time" if your thought process polarizes as you get older is it because you are actually learning anything? or is it that you have A.D.D., or is it the early stages of alzheimers? i can't tell. is the difference between being a child and a grown up simply the difference between two polarized thought processes? if so then that's completely fucked up. why are we such the victims of "aging" ? one could say, "My views aren't polarized! They've been tempered by experience, and i might say: a modicum of wisdom."that sounds like a lame copout to me (sorry for the rant btw) it's like looking at a cup of matcha-- as the water seperates from the tea. is that all growing older is? fuck it! i am left bufuddled and flabbergasted by such nonsense and bullshit -- i'll be a kid my whole life i dont have time for this wack ass, fake ass, hollywood-movie-resembling ass lifetime of decreptitude, i'll be a child until i am 95 who's with me!!!! |
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perhaps what i am trying to express is a fear of growing old |
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Responsabilities may change your life. |
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No.. With time comes knowledge through learning. With that comes a more detailed world-view. (Hopefully) With that comes a more appropriate and understanding thought process. I think your idea of "polarization" of thought processes is the wrong one. It's not polarized, inverted or anything else of the kind. It just changes suitably. |
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To put it concisely, i imagine myself (ie personality and world-view, the stuff you're talking about) as the sum total of my experiences, memory and knowledge. |
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the prefrontal lobe really keeps developing until you're 24 or something, so, your brain is physically changing. wikiquote: The so-called executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events |
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one of the things that's broken up me and my original close group of friends is just that; responsbilities. to some degree isn't that an ultimate shame? i mean, we all got jobs, moved into apartments (though a few of us moved back home after not long). started dating all kinds of weird and fucked up girls. while responsibillities and adversities, blessings may change our lives why is it always that we are almost an entirely different human being by the time we are in our mid-30's to 40's?why does it bother no one that we are susceptible to an almost unavoidable major axiom shift by the time we are 35 coming from 20? and if that axiom shift is guaranteed, why do we bother at all hanging onto ethics , scruples and manners before that time? what would happen if no standards or customers were programmed into the minds of young people, i mean, would we all of the sudden develop a labrynthine set of morals and "does" and "don'ts"s? once we reached the age of 40? |
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i can understand that. but what still bothers me is that often those who's thought process do not change suitably with their environment are left behind and considered, well, "stupid", aren't they? childish? it's looked down upon, regardless of how succesful or just plain unsuccesful they are. isn't there any credit to be given to a human being who maintains an unbent style of thinking and regard for its surroundings throughout its entire lifetime on Earth? if not, then why not? |
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As far as myself goes, my ethical-political thoughts have not changed too much for the last ten years. And during those years I bought a house, a car, got a job, a girl... In fact, my thoughts just seem to gain weight every year that passes. Well, in two years I'll be 30, and let u know if I become a fascist or something... |
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i can understand that. but what still bothers me is that often those who's thought process do not change suitably with their environment are left behind and considered, well, "stupid", aren't they? childish? it's looked down upon, regardless of how succesful or just plain unsuccesful they are. it'd help if you could come u with an allegory or real-life example to illustrate all of this, ust to clarify. isn't there any credit to be given to a human being who maintains an unbent style of thinking and regard for its surroundings throughout its entire lifetime on Earth? if not, then why not? I don't see why there should be.. Is stubbornness, deliberate or unconscious, really such a virtue? |
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The idea you have of this 'change' is your own point of view you've constructed. Already as I've said there's a physical basis and that's actual the analytic solution to your observation, if you had looked at it further. So if you're asking isn't there any credit to be given to a human being who maintains an unbent style of thinking and regard for its surroundings throughout its entire lifetime on Earth? if not, then why not? I have no thought as to why you'd consider this important. Maybe you could explain. |
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an allegory would be one of two friends who grow up in the same neighborhood, attend the same schools, go to the same churches (if it's in their family rituals to do so), hang out in the same playgrounds, etc. the classic "old school best friends". puberty stage is reached, young-adulthood, adulthood.. the two friends age and grow apart. theyve grown apart, most notably MENTALLY. why should that happen? the possibility is then that the two folks are not even personally compatible. if they had not known eachother for years they might even possibly hate one another given the circumstances for those kinds of thoughts to develop. so take that allegory and sort of fold it in half. now that's just ONE PERSON. the person and also the person's viewpoint on itself. is it not like a sort of schizophrenia has developed? is that not insanity? going nuts? a total polar split of the brain? |
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i just read about the prefontal lobe right now... i find that very interesting. it stops developing around the age of 24. so, we are physically predisposed to going in all directions mentally around that time, and nothing else. is it at all possible that a human could have an aversion to the operative changes that the prefrontal lobe brings about? and lead to stress and anxiety? i find it VERY depressing that as humans we are physically predisposed to total personality changes within our lifetimes and the possibility of maintaining a constant predilection is actually physically impossible! i really don't even know how to explain why i think it's awful. it just feels incorrect. |
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actually i doubt the possibility of being mentally aware of functional changes in brain - since one would be using those functions to identify the functions that are currently in use, which is impossible, isn't it? |
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this ties in a lot with what mappa has been saying - but yeah. puberty hits and everything goes different. you're asking why on earth it should. well, because puberty is a complete transformation of the self, both physically and mentally. it's the transformation of a child into an adult.. two completely different beasts. i don't see where the confusion about this could come from - it's a totally logical and believeable chain of events.. |
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you can notice it in politics. people get more tory as they get older. |
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brain changes are in no way a satisfying nor exhausting explanation of the phenomenon. |
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I rarely recommend reading stuff because it's a boring way of going about business, but I hereby urge you to check out some Sartre (Being and Nothingness in particular). |
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awesome coincidence is that im about to go to the hpb to buy some books just as i read your post.. ill get that book |
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It's a real brick both in size and content, but don't let that scare you.. it's a good book. |
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u think different |
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i think I might or might not know what you mean, im kind of worried about getting old and winding up like so many other old people look to me now, stuck in their ways and not particularly open minded and not going anywhere, somewhere along the way turned pessimistically realistic and settled on a really dull way of life and pretending thats what you wanted all along, i mean how much has my view of the world and my prospects narrowed since I was 15, quite a lot, maybe Im wiser with age but it doesnt seem like ive discovered anything that makes life look much better, is this just going to continue until I'm just bouncing between hopeless decisions like a piece of shit in a pinball machine made out of shit? All this and more with me Dermot Murnaghan, on the Six O'Clock News |
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Well not just in the brain. Nothing would happen if this brain was shut off from all stimulus, past or future. Depends largely on context and here I don't think it is possible to rigorously determine where this 'line' is where 'you' end and the context begins. But again I (personally, I may have to say) don't think drawing lines around the individual, mental state is of any use, or that it's even possible to define this 'seat of consciousness'. It's infinitely differing from 'itself' (that definition which you've attempted to assign to it). |
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I'm not sure if I understand what you mean, but I think I may agree. However, I'm pretty confused right now (finishing up two papers simultaneously), and I'd like it if you could put it a bit more clearly so that I can be sure. |
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some professor at my faculty one said that the difference between a child and a man is wether he chooses window or aisle? |
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