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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-24 14:01 [#01992043]
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http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3901&
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/24/1453233...
Way to alienate your last few fans Sony. Fucking idiots.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-24 14:09 [#01992052]
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how odd. you'd think they'd be making more money with more sales?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-10-24 14:10 [#01992055]
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i dont get it
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-24 14:43 [#01992068]
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Absolute scum. Can you imagine Honda sueing people who parallel import its cars? This is ludicrous.
Respect to Lik Sang for this: "As of today, Lik-Sang.com will not be in the position to accept any new orders and will cancel and refund all existing orders that have already been placed. Furthermore, Lik-Sang is working closely with banks and PayPal to refund any store credits held by the company, and the customer support department is taking care of any open transactions such as pending RMAs or repairs and shipping related matters. The staff of Lik-Sang will make sure that nobody will get hurt in the crossfire of this ordeal."
I can only hope they survive and return in a few months. Nintendo got them shut down a few years back (for about 6 months if I recall correctly) for selling GBA flash cards.
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2006-10-24 14:44 [#01992069]
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i just read it too, doesn't make me happy at all, fucking cunts.
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uzim
on 2006-10-24 15:11 [#01992076]
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fuck! >_<
i already miss them. i wanted to order a game from liksang soon but waited because i have spent too much this month already... : (
and the new metal gear solid, new silent hill games are coming on these sony cunts' next console...makes me sick.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-10-24 15:21 [#01992079]
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i'm gonna support that sony boycott by not buying shitty systems
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-10-24 16:03 [#01992097]
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few extra bits of info over at Gamespot:
Lik-Sang also claimed that Sony Computer Entertainment Europe executives themselves had bought imported PSP goods from their company, and went on to name names. Clarysse said: "Sony Europe's very own top directors repeatedly got their Sony PSP hard or software imports in nicely packaged Lik-Sang parcels with free Lik-Sang mugs or Lik-Sang badge holders, starting just two days after Japan's official release, as early as December 14, 2004 (more than nine months earlier than the legal action)."
and Sony's response:
..in a statement given to British game-industry magazine MCV, the company took a defiant tone.
"Sony Computer Entertainment successfully sued Pacific Game Technology (Holding) Limited for infringing [on] our Intellectual Property rights," said Sony. "Lik Sang did not contest this case (ie. they did not turn up and therefore incurred no legal costs). We have been awarded substantial costs against Lik Sang which have not been paid. We would therefore strongly deny that our actions have had anything to do with this website closing (we assume the legal entity is still trading) and would suggest that this release is sour grapes on behalf of Lik Sang which is aimed to belittle Sony Computer Entertainment and the British judicial system that ruled against them."
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-10-24 16:25 [#01992107]
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i dunno if it matters but i took note on the issue on a couple blogs of mine to try to get people to care
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-24 16:41 [#01992115]
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hahaha!
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-10-24 18:57 [#01992140]
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i dont get it
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staz
on 2006-10-24 19:01 [#01992143]
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those two statements make very little sense together.
on another note, i loved lik-sang, and this is a bizarre turn of events.
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sin
from United Kingdom on 2006-10-24 20:47 [#01992163]
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The cunts
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aphextriplet
from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-25 01:50 [#01992192]
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hahaha
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-25 04:02 [#01992213]
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what knobs. i hate multinationals. the only way to bring an offending multinational down and stop them shiting all over their helpless smaller competitors is by killing the CEO.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-25 04:10 [#01992217]
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shut up ezk. lik-sang you served me and my Doctor64 well. it is a shame but it was inevitable (seeing as its happened before). im sure youll be back in some shape or form with your immensely helpful staff.
your old broken english newsletters used to make me cry with joy.
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2006-10-25 04:36 [#01992224]
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at least my '93 sony cd player still works. they might be cunts but their products last.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-10-25 04:55 [#01992231]
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So, what did lik-Sang do? If I understand correctly, they bought games manufactured to be sold in one country and sold them in others?
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2006-10-25 11:59 [#01992434]
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Sony has really lost the plot over the last few years... The perception of Sony has dropped, people used to think of it and Trinitron and decent reasonably well designed stuff.
Now it has been riding on its reputation for a few years and not really innovating, it's been overtaken by others.
The whole business model at Sony is flawed. Example, the PSP: They are using the razor/razor blade approach: cheap razor (games machine) pricey blades (games)
This works if you sell hardware (difficult to put this on bittorrent)
If you plan to make your money on software, make it either: * reasonably priced (psp games are not) * worth paying for (i.e. good, unlike most psp games) * hard to crack/iso copy, whatever
for the PSP sony decide to take option 3 , so each new PSP firmware slams shut a door used to run decent homebrew games and apps.
The PSP is a bad design, it goes for 2 whopping CPUs and enough battery to run them at limited 2/3rd speed for a pathetic time... what about less CPU but decent games and more fun...(DS anyone?)
People release homebrew to have fun with decent games, not the crap peddled by Sony and so Sony make fewer friends by trying to stop homebrew.
Now they are doing the same with lik-sang. A company like Sony is only good if it is popular.
My parents always buy Panasonic. They've bought it before and it works well, it may not be the best choice but, it's a pretty decent one in most cases.
Same with Sony, people buy it because of previous good experiences. I can see people getting annoyed and buying someone elses stuff as their experiences turn sour...
Sony had that nice little rootkit virus on those CDs a while back, now they have the exploding batteries in everyone's laptops, PS3 is late... PSP is a dissapointment.
I wholeheartedly agree with this topic's title.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-25 12:08 [#01992439]
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seems to me they're trying to adapt to a more "international" way of doing business where everything is a copyright infringement and any attempt at using what they make for anything but what they intended it to means you get sued.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-10-25 13:26 [#01992492]
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all console companies work along what you call the "razor/razor blade approach", both Microsoft and Nintendo.
all of them make a loss on the console sales themselves - the money is in the games.
which is kind of interesting, since the PS3 will be costing 600 fucking dollars, which to me at least is a huge amount of money.
how does Sony respond to people saying "my, that's quite expensive"..?
"You’ll buy a PS3 at any price — even if you have to get a second job at Burger King to pay for it"
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-25 14:10 [#01992533]
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The Nintendo Wii is the first console to beat this loss leader precedent. Impressive.
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Vin3islih
from United Kingdom on 2006-10-25 14:40 [#01992557]
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Yeah FUCK Sony, fuck 'em right in the ass!!!
Why are we fucking them in the ass again?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-25 16:20 [#01992597]
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As usual, Dave talks utter sense.
I actually use my PSP far less (and because I take it away with me less, I buy fewer games) since I lost the ability to run homebrew on my PSP. I loved having, after all these years waiting, a 100% accurate megadrive emulator on a handheld (not to mention NES emulation and the homebrew drum machines, etc.) Since upgrading the firmware to run GTA: Liberty City Stories, I've lost this ability. I know I could unlock it again, but I'd only lose the functionality again when I buy a new game and each time I do it, I'd be risking bricking the PSP.
I also know someone who fixed his defective screen (about a dozen stuck pixels) using a piece of homebrew software. This meant he didn't have to return it- saving Sony £200 at the time.
Before anyone says, "Oh, but you're the exception, everyone else just pirates games on it." I'd like to point out that the 4 people I know who have them all use them the way I do (did) for homebrew and didn't pirate games for them.
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ecnadniarb
on 2006-10-25 20:45 [#01992664]
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I like Sony. Bunch of haters.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-10-25 22:44 [#01992668]
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Aw I had a PS3 pre-order with them. I was going to sell it tho.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-26 00:22 [#01992677]
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Bought my PSP from liksang, it was a great shop! I was planning on getting a SD card reader for my GBA from them too.
I wish Sony the worst of luck in the future.
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ecnadniarb
on 2006-10-26 00:42 [#01992679]
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Right, so Sony are the bad guys for designing, selling and updating the PSP to leave it without the ability to run illegal emulators and/or copies of games when they rely on software sales to make a profit?
So some speccy twat can't run a shitty drum machine on a handheld games/media machine. Big deal.
If Lik Sang can't even be arsed appearing at court what do they expect? This is just a piss poor publicity stunt and they'll be trading again within the month under the guise of 'back by popular demand"
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2006-10-27 08:24 [#01993352]
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Ceri, if I presume correctly, your PSP version can be downgraded to 1.5 to run those lovely megadrive emus (which is the sole reason I use my PSP).
To run newer games, you can run a program called devhook, which fools it into thinking it is a newer version by rebooting and loading the later os into RAM from the memory card, not the flash. That way the flash still has 1.5 and no need to worry about bricking or whatnot.
I think the fact that I use the PSP to play megadrive games says alot about what has gone wrong at Sony. The vast majority of the PSP games are over-priced crap.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-27 08:32 [#01993353]
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One of my mates has a psp, and we've been looking at the games.. seems to me the psp has way more good games than ds.. tales of eternia was great, and if you're into it that tekken thing was apparently quite good (I don't like tekken too much), but what I really want to see is that metal gear solid portable game and loco roco looks like great fun. That silent hill game also looks like it'll be awesome!
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-27 11:32 [#01993445]
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Unfortunately as long as WipEout® belongs to Sony, I'll keep buying the hardware.
http://defaulted.ath.cx/w2/
WipEout®
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-10-28 14:03 [#01994096]
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yeah, i heard about that. i've got my money reserved towards a Nintendo Wii, so i think i'll be happy. Sony's made a lot of bad moves lately. They don't realize that at the top you have everything to lose, and their opponents have everything to gain.
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tridenti
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-10-28 14:05 [#01994099]
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Ditto.
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aneurySm
from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-29 00:29 [#01994281]
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i want a gameboy flashcart
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-29 00:51 [#01994307]
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I've got one on the way. There are 2 types available; one that will play GBA roms and one that wont. You need one that has 32mb on board so it can launch the GBA roms. Most of the others only have a few kb so they can only launch NES games of <256k!
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