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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:16 [#00122316]
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all guys talk about, who is better, which album is better, which song is better, also all you guys can listen music, but who can make music ?
so it would (will?) be intersting, what do you prefer, software or hardware ? both ?
HARDWARE VS. SOFTWARE!
I Vote for Hardware.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-12 10:20 [#00122318]
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Hardcore
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:22 [#00122320]
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2 hardware 0 software
i like hardware more, cuz it's more stable than software and you've got more the control with faders and knobs, also realtime is better that step.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 10:22 [#00122321]
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i don't have anything against hardware - but i'll vote
SOFTWARE
imho .. much more versatile, [in terms of having it all on the one screen, i like to work that way], takes up less space, costs less !!! this is a biggie ... and with a good soundcard, you can hardly tell the difference .. etc. etc.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 10:23 [#00122322]
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grüetzi!
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:25 [#00122326]
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analog sound is fatter that even virtual digital sound. it's hard to bring a KORG synthtune in a computer. so give me a solution, to turn 2knobs at the same time on a computer ,)
Hardware 2 Software 1
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:26 [#00122329]
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jä griezi wou !
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-12 10:31 [#00122335]
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Software!! But I wouldn't have said that a year ago..
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 10:31 [#00122336]
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phat boy!!!, control freak, (spose thats counted as hardware) - but then so is a keyboard and mouse!
but then .. there is lots of software in like samplers and the like so .. :)
re: the analogue thing .. most synths out there are virtual analog .. perhaps the vs. should be digital vs analog??? :)
'ch bi in basel gebore .. mi schweitzer dütsch isch nümmi so guet . ? :/ vorallem g'schriebes
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IronLung
from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2002-03-12 10:32 [#00122339]
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right now at this moment in my life...I will have to go with Software....
I do not have money at the present time for Hardware....
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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:33 [#00122341]
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software can't beat hardware ,)
2:2
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nacmat
on 2002-03-12 10:33 [#00122342]
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which is the difference? hardware for what? software for what?
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Archrival
on 2002-03-12 10:34 [#00122343]
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Software, its the future nah mean.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-12 10:35 [#00122344]
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You can make phat ass beats with just your laptop.
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sine707
from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2002-03-12 10:35 [#00122346]
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I'll vote for Software. Although I'd rather have the things as hardware that I've as software now ;-)
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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:35 [#00122347]
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yeah software is good for recording, also good for mastering, but for filtering, REALTIME (the magic word, that no one artist won't do it more) triggering and control, software will never beat hardware!
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 10:36 [#00122349]
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making music ... eg. software synth (FM7) vs hardware synth (clavia nord) software sampler (HALion) vs hardware sampler (AKAI 5000) software vocoder (? - orange something) vs hardware (Electrix Warp factory)
etc. etc.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 10:37 [#00122355]
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one day .. one day !
cards like creamware lunaII and such .. have pretty low latencies .. technology will come through i'm sure :)
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-12 10:37 [#00122356]
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Thats why I'm building a new computer to use soft synths...I'm so excited!
But seriously, software has opened up so many door to aspiring musicians that wouldn't have normally been able to afford to get into it. Even if you don't get cracked stuff there is lots of free stuff that if you persevere with you can get some good results....the possibilities are endless
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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:39 [#00122357]
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i'd like to see you guys how d'you to more things at the same time on a computer g. i just use VST plug ins, some softsynths, but i DON'T use a sampler or sequencer like reason or fruityloops (i like cubase). how do you want use reason on a live gig ?
anyway
hardware 2 software 4
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 10:41 [#00122363]
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need one mention REAKTOR!!! :)
hard ware is pretty cool.. if i had a shit load of splosh to splash around - i undoubtedly would get some .. but .. etc. blearh .. blah .. and blop
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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:44 [#00122367]
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yeah i use many software korban, also reaktor, recycle, rebirth (i just test it actually) wavelab, soundforge, many vst plug ins, fm7, just xperiment with all things i got...
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que
from vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-12 10:45 [#00122370]
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reason is the tops for live work - ed dmx uses it for his PA's
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leftrightronic
on 2002-03-12 10:51 [#00122386]
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i like software.. only real hardware i have is this lil ol yamaha dj-x
i haven't messed with much other hardware tho. but i really like software because you can churn out all kinds of new sounds, with hardware it is definitely more hands on but you have all these sounds built in already and presets, would seem limiting. software gives me a more expansive feel. i vote SOFTWARE
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:54 [#00122390]
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que, wihtout controllers ?
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 10:56 [#00122394]
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everybody get a precisionist with a mouse and 2 buttons.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 10:58 [#00122399]
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yeah .. i reckon a healthy combo of both would be ideal ... hey map, so you know peff then?
just at this point in time i'm quite taken by what software can do -
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leftrightronic
on 2002-03-12 10:59 [#00122401]
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uh what? heeh
everyone is more precise using pcs?
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leftrightronic
on 2002-03-12 10:59 [#00122402]
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im way perfectionist :/
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:00 [#00122403]
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i saw Florian Hecker live a bit more than a year ago now, and he used his G3 laptop w. mouse, combined with a numark effects unit .. this seemed to be quite a nice combination for what he was doing. ?
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leftrightronic
on 2002-03-12 11:03 [#00122406]
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if the time came for a live show.. i think id work out just bringing my pc and using my dj-x to trigger the different midi channels or however that works.
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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 11:12 [#00122415]
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true, the combination of the 2 elements is a perfect solution. so...
i would use a computer for send midi sysex messages to configure the soundgenerators (i use an AKAI S2000 with 8 out's and a Boss DR770 Drummachine, the outs goes to a 16ch mixer, perfect for muting and eqing the tracks) also use the computer to run a soft synth, like virsyn or rebirth (303 section and trigger the pc via midi, play patterns or instruments) the boss dr770 drummachine has a sequencer, also i have got an alesis mmt8 8track hardware midi sequencer, so i can switch between the 2 machines (master - slave) and trigger various rhythms on the sampler, or drummachine, also computer. for efx i use the computer too, the audiophile recording card would be good for that i hope, the sound goes thru a VST effect routed direct to the out, direct monitoring, so i hope i have a low latency, and i goes back to the mixer..
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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 11:13 [#00122416]
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sorry for my english..
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:15 [#00122418]
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quite some setup :)
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 11:16 [#00122419]
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oh i forgot the old yamaha psr510 keyboard, i'm on think what i should to with that... trigger break samples or seomthing like that... my system is still growing up :)
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que
from vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-12 11:16 [#00122420]
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yes i believe so, you can set the computer keyboard keys to control mutes/solos/pattern changes etc
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:18 [#00122422]
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do you have a site with some o' yo music on it?
be quite keen to hear some ..
i reckon, if i were to get some hardware, i'd get a 909, as a 16 step midi sequencer? and an effex box (numark? or sum such) ..
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leftrightronic
on 2002-03-12 11:19 [#00122424]
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id prolly just use modplug tracker or sonar and have the channels output as seperate midi channels anc control stuff with my dj-x, like all those fun knob twiddling things :D
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:19 [#00122425]
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map that was .. :/
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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 11:24 [#00122431]
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korben, a site will come yes...
but actually i want do more things, xperiment with all things in realtime, that's my dream, controlling each sound on a setup, fast change, non-static rhythms and so on... so i need a big fat controller.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-12 11:26 [#00122437]
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Map, is your audiphile card the 2496? I'm thinking about getting that...I want to use lots of soft synths and was wondering what its like
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:28 [#00122440]
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um .. dang, now where did i see it .. i think it was from the native instruments site .. had a rackmountable 10knob controller module .. lemme check!
i think there is also a new control freak out which is quite potent??
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:29 [#00122442]
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yeah .. i too am contemplating purr-chasing that card.
seems quite stable / good alround type deal from what i've heard.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:30 [#00122444]
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but probably wont for quite some time - hehe..
such is life
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from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 11:31 [#00122447]
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B3n...
i ordered the card, i get it in 1 1/2 weeks, what i rode seems to be positive about all of the card, very good driver support for all systems, w9x,me,2000,xp,mac, include asio,gsif,direct-x,wdm and so on..
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:34 [#00122455]
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kenton control freak
and the native instruments 4 control (sold out currently) - but there used to be a link from the 4control thing to the rackmountable piece .. which i can't find anywhere now. was quite nice to look at with lcd displays and what have you :)
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-03-12 11:36 [#00122459]
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u prolly already checked but might be worth checking
http://www.kenton.co.uk/
control freak - studio + control freak - live ?!
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-12 11:37 [#00122463]
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Well, its either that or a substantially more expensive one
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-03-12 11:38 [#00122466]
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check this out
http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-12 11:41 [#00122471]
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I have a phatboy
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