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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 15:30 [#01987049]
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all by imaginary fantasy (not by me)
This is some of the best melody composition I have ever heard- sort of videogameish music.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 15:37 [#01987050]
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completely bizarre, i like it
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-10-14 15:41 [#01987051]
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They're good. But not as good as THIS.
This for me is some of the best melody composition I have ever heard- sort of videogameish music.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 15:43 [#01987052]
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I challenge anyone to try and make similarly entertaining/intricate melody in this basic style and upload it somewhere; I'd guess only orange dust and a couple others could. He definately knows what he's doing. Or give me an idea how to do it.
I have more I can upload. His titles are perfect. "the lonely toothbrush" sounds EXACTLY like a lonely toothbrush, and so does penguin love. :)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 16:01 [#01987056]
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That was good, especially with the fast note part, but I guess more linear and a litttle easier to emulate probably.
I have no idea how to arrange that many notes together, especially as effortlessly as he does, and not have it sound like shit. It's usually obvious he has some chord "bass" going, but not so obvious in piso mojado.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-10-14 16:04 [#01987057]
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Effortlessly!?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 16:16 [#01987059]
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Well the album had 32 tracks and this whole thing was just a side project of his main artist which I think was 'wishper' which I didn't really like. He also said he sometimes thinks of a title (the lonely toothbrush) then actually makes the composition fit the title- that requires knowing what you're doing because it evolves in a particular direction rather than just ending up with whatever emerges- anyway they all sound "melodically correct" and it seems he makes it way easier than I can make something 1/8th as complex.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-14 16:22 [#01987060]
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hahaha, this is awesome!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-14 16:29 [#01987061]
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sounds like keyboard demo songs
awesome keyboard
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 16:40 [#01987063]
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Actually, I listen to keyboard demo songs too and am mystified by their construction. There is some sort of basic easy way to compose such music/melody/chords apparently but I'll never figure out what it is.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-14 16:47 [#01987067]
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Em, Am and D for sad songs and G, A, D for happy songs
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 16:50 [#01987068]
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can you define specifically what those are (chords, scales/etc)
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-10-14 17:05 [#01987071]
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this guy does it waaaaay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better. one of my fav. artists.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 18:46 [#01987088]
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mishufantasy was my favorite. Those are good w/ some intricate parts. It's mostly the obvious better sound quality but simple sound quality is part of imaginary fantasy's charm.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-14 21:12 [#01987119]
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chords.
the small m means "minor," and a minor scale goes from its base note (let's say A) and up from there by (in halfnotes) 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 (which gets you back to A via only white keys). The intervals are the same for any minor scale. The minor chord is the root note (Am, root = A) plus (halfnotes again) 3 & 7 (both counting from the root). A major chord usually has no extra signifier, but you can get stuff like Dmaj or D[a triangle I think], etc. A major chord starts at its root (let's say C) and goes up by 2 2 1 2 2 2 1, and you're back at a C via only the white keys. A major chord is the root plus 4 & 7.
I may have done some errors that I will correct when sobber
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 22:25 [#01987149]
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so, say on keyboard demo songs that are in c major, which starts at c and is white keys only...
do these songs typically only play white keys? Thus the only chords they can play with a (root & 4 & 7 structure) is ceg, fac, gbd- because any other root note in c major would result in a chord with a black key.
"Em, Am and D for sad songs and G, A, D for happy songs"
I'll ignore the minor scale now because the major is already confusing enough for me.
So the "D" you mentioned (with root & 4 & 7) should be: D, F#,A
it has a black key so should it not be included in a piece in c major? Or do typical keyboard demo songs have all kinds of chords with black/white keys etc even if in c major?
Can an imaginary fantasy type of track be made with only white keys? bla
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-14 22:42 [#01987152]
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Also... watch this
This is twinkle twinkle little star and I assume (for all I know) it is in c major- and sure enough only white keys are used in this song.
But, the chords used in this song are as follows:
c,e,g (root & 4 & 7) c,f,a (root & 5 & 9) b,f,g (root & 6 & 8)
So only the first one has the 0,4,7 you mentioned. Therefore it is the only "major chord" of those 3? Do the other 2 have a name?... I don't see any logical reason why these 3 chords are chosen, other than they all have only-white keys. I think the guy in that youtube said those chords are significant in some way in music but I don't think he said why.
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axion
from planet rock (Sweden) on 2006-10-14 22:43 [#01987153]
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yuo should see how bizzare i am
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-15 03:36 [#01987179]
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I'll do this first
first of all you don't need to play the notes in rising order.. cfa is kind of like F with the C below instead (put it above and you get the F as root and 4 & 7) of above and bfg is Fm with the B below; you only have to use the notes in the chord, and you're not bound to any particular order.
also, even if you have a song in Cmaj, you aren't restricted to using only major chords (and just because a song goes in some scale, that doesn't mean you can't go outside it ever); Am, for instance, is Cmajs parallel tone scale (I only know the norwegian word, so that probably isn't the correct technical term), so in a Cmaj song you can use Am, Dm, etc, without it sounding weird.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-10-15 08:25 [#01987234]
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Isn't that a remix of an old Enya song?
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-10-15 10:45 [#01987267]
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ive started my 2nd 8bit/chiptunish album and i've gone all out and just tried to make real poppy dance music. about pirates
same ien but more basic sounding. and worse muscial skills. New Voyage
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-10-15 10:53 [#01987273]
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Yes. And its awesome. The guy remixed a load more of them too, but I can't remember the link to his site :(
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-10-15 10:54 [#01987274]
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Haha, thats great. I love it.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-15 10:56 [#01987276]
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awesome, this is quite helpful. I now understand why cfa is 0,4,7.
So all you have to remember is: 0,3,7 (minor chord) 0,4,7 (major chord)
And these are the ONLY chords allowed (only triple note chords anyway)? Even though you said you CAN go out of scale in, say, "c major", do typical keyboard demo songs ALMOST ALWAYS only use notes of chords in that scale only (white keys only for c major- you said a minor is the equivalent but I think I'll ignore that for now). So... they would still choose only 037 or 047's, but only use resulting chords that have only white keys?
What seems stupid to me is that (I havn't tested it) but you can probably choose just about any 3 white keys and then find that they satisfy the constraint of 047 or 037 (using any of the 3 notes as the root). (e + f would never work because they're right next to eachother). Therefore one might as well choose any 3 white keys at random (in c major scale) as opposed to bothering with whether they are 047 or 037, because they probably are in some way..
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-10-15 10:59 [#01987279]
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If you use the autochord function in fruityloops, you can make all kinds of complex musical sequences. (Whether they are are any good is down to your talent of course.)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-15 11:05 [#01987281]
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whoa, I'll have to try that.. maybe that's what orange dust does.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-15 11:10 [#01987287]
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Hell yeah, you definately know "music theory" or something. That was great. It wouldn't sound the slightest bit out of place in a real old school nintendo game. Is it pretty easy for you to make stuff like that and can you make something equally good using only white keys from the c major scale? (you're also using 0,4,7 or 0,3,7 chords only?).. then have the melody only use notes of the current chord?
Do you start composing w/ chords or melody first usually?
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-10-15 12:04 [#01987315]
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mm dont know really. i know limited piano thoery but most of it just comes out pretty randomly. I force all the melody out of me for this project. its all really basic stuff with some fancy trills flung over it. trying to be a bit tr00 ill use monophonic arpegs to get that ultra slick c64 sound. there'll be bum notes someplaces im sure but it sounds ok!
and i have to think about the pirate element as well.
dunno chords then just stick crap over it. whoo!
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-10-15 12:09 [#01987317]
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/these are quaintly superb little tracks.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-04 10:38 [#01997630]
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5 more added at the link at the top:
Legend of the Incredible Geese
Little Timmy Fights the Angry Dragon
Red Spider
Turtles Eating Popsicles
The Lonely Toothbrush
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-04 12:43 [#01997679]
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no, there are lots and lots of chords you can use, and the way you name them depends more on the scale of the song than the actual notes in them... and some chords have noes right next to each other like E and F.. you can do E+F+A and that's a chord.. hell, E+F in itself is a chord.. I don't know what it's called, but it's a chord. Bb+Eb+F+G, for instance, sounds nice.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-04 14:42 [#01997718]
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That is fucking annoying.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-11-04 14:54 [#01997719]
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i think its shite
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funkadil
from United States on 2006-11-04 16:34 [#01997742]
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This is all crap. The first guy is alright but nobody does it in a very interesting or fucked up manner as well as I do it. Well, not that I have yet heard on the internet.......
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-04 21:59 [#01997793]
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Yeah, isn't it great you guys? :D
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-04 22:11 [#01997794]
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Ok... then that 047 shiznit has no significance, or maybe 047's are just one type of a wider varitey of chords. It seems like playing in the major scale is no different than playing chromatic.
What I don't get is playing 'bass' chords in the left hand I guess and making it sound 'right' with the melody of the right hand... given that any simultaneous notes are allowed (even e & f), it seems it doesn't matter at all which notes you play simultaneously with both hands together.. Don't bother explaining anymore; I just don't get it.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-04 22:18 [#01997795]
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link 2 ur toons snat 4
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-04 22:22 [#01997796]
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you can make a musical instrument by putting reces pieces in a cup and shaking them. this pro tip actually written on the packaging is just ONE of the many reasons u shood by redse other than 4 eating.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-04 22:23 [#01997797]
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man boobs
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-04 22:26 [#01997799]
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Oh, this is all writing. :10:04 What's writing? :10:05 Words that stay. My master told me. :10:10 "When single shines the triple sun... :10:13 what was sundered and undone... :10:17 shall be whole, the two made one... :10:20 by Gelfling hand, or else by none. " :10:24 By Gelfling hand? Do you know what that means? :10:27 Wait. :10:29 This is a piece of the Dark Crystal. :10:32 - Then that's what my master meant. - Yes. :10:35 - I have to put it... - You have to heal... the Dark Crystal. :10:38 Prophecy? :10:40 - Jen, Skekses! - Stay! Stay! No! :10:44 Am friend. :10:47 Stay. Am friend. :10:49 Prophecy. Prophecy cause all this trouble. :10:52 - That prophecy? - Yes! :10:54 - That's why Skekses killed Gelfling? - Yes! :10:58 Bad mistake. Skekses afraid, fear Gelfling.
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