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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-19 07:13 [#01973780]
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Is there any particular reason why people would press 10" vinyl, rather than 12", particularly when 10" is more expensive than 12" (unless we're talking 180 Gram 12"s compared to lighter 10"s)?
The portability of 10" isn't noticeably better (as 7" are) and cases/bags made for 10" are almost non-existant.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-09-19 07:18 [#01973784]
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10" is just cooler.
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magness
from astroblaster (Antarctica) on 2006-09-19 07:42 [#01973791]
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track/album length is a factor i think
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 07:57 [#01973793]
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I imagine its a novelty much like 3" CDs, they probably cost more too
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-19 08:30 [#01973804]
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You're probably right. For some reason though, whilst I like 3" cds, I find 10" records rather unfulfilling. They just seem like "not quite a 12", rather than something very different. Now, a 5" record on the other hand (perhaps with a reflective surface to mimic a CD) would be a different proposition entirely...
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-19 08:32 [#01973805]
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Do you like the feel of a full 12" in your hand Ceri?
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 08:49 [#01973813]
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say it, go on say it
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-09-19 08:53 [#01973816]
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Yep, pure gimmick. Just like coloured vinyl + picture discs. I don't even like 7" releases either *gasp*
12" is the way and the light.
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-09-19 08:54 [#01973817]
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Do you like the feel of a full 12" in your hand Brisk ?
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-09-19 09:08 [#01973830]
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Yes. Very much so. Its what I live for in fact.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-19 09:26 [#01973840]
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Only if it's yours, big man.
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2006-09-19 10:51 [#01973909]
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Reflective surface might be a bit much to ask, but the 5" vinyl is definitely out there...
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-19 11:29 [#01973929]
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BAM! :D
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-09-19 11:38 [#01973939]
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10 inch records are cheaper to press up. Most 12s I've bought don't use the whole time possible anyway.
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2006-09-19 13:13 [#01974005]
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10" is relatively rare and thus cooler... it's as simple as that. But it is a beautiful format and should have replaced the 7". Instead the 12" replaced the 10"... It's not at all practical but that only makes it even more beautiful and more interesting to collect... My most treasured 10" is Stereolab's "Low Fi", from 1992...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-19 14:01 [#01974042]
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...but everywhere I've looked, it costs more to press 10"s than 12"s and some places don't do it at all.
I know there's more material used (so our environmentalist friends will probably be championing it and the wankers in parliament will put a "non-green" tax of a few quid on every 12", whereas 10" records will get huge subsidies, etc.) but I think it's due to the cost of the (less popular) equipment for pressing tens.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-09-19 14:03 [#01974044]
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I've seen 10s listed as chaeper than 12s in some places, I think the 12 is a hangover from the LP.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-09-19 14:20 [#01974053]
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i'd like one of those new vestax home-cutters LAZY_TITLE
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-09-19 14:21 [#01974054]
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learn how to link you idiot
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-09-20 00:18 [#01974266]
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Well, we released a 10" and not a 12" for the look of it, also used coloured vinyl. I think it's more original that way...
We didn't pay it. It ended in the MACBA, here u can see... Also in a poster, here. Well, ignore the title of the poster thread. As stated, it says 12" by mistake...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-20 02:11 [#01974291]
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Yes, I'd really like one of those too. :)
I'm suprised/amazed that I've not seen anywhere with one of those offering dub plate cutting (although the Vestax cut discs are nearer to normal lightweight vinyl in terms of sound quality/durability) for £25-30 per plate.
I think a large indie record store (perhaps operating via mail order- boomkat perhaps) would quickly recoup the cost of the machine and make a tidy profit.
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sean qunt
from BELFAST on 2006-09-20 02:19 [#01974295]
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10" is more expensive to press, dosn't matter how its distributed
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-09-20 02:22 [#01974297]
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Another Vestax gadget here...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-20 02:55 [#01974304]
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Ha ha ha! I remember reading someone describing the principle on which this works, about 3 years back. He ended up by saying something like "If Vestax or any of the other big names are reading it, feel free to rip my idea off. I just want to see this thing made."
Looks interesting and I have to respect them taking a chance on things like this (and the faderboard), they really do seem to be prepared to lose money (I can't see it selling many units) just to advance what can be done with DJing skills. Unless the pitch alteration is digital, I think there'll always be a slight portamento effect (as the pitch increases/decreases to the new value). Also, if it's going to be useable to play real melodies with quick note changes, it'll need a very loose/free moving fader like the contactless optical/magnetic ones.
It would be interesting to see someone playing a pair of these (tuned to different octaves), one controlled by the pedal, the other by the pitch keys and the other hand operating the mixer.
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aron
from saskatoon (Canada) on 2006-09-20 03:13 [#01974307]
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7" is too fookin small and 12" is too fricken big 10 inch records look nice and make me feel cool
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-20 03:57 [#01974319]
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Long time no see mate. How are you?
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aron
from saskatoon (Canada) on 2006-09-27 01:27 [#01978287]
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good man, and yourself? ive just been without a computer for like a year. just now am i getting back into the whole idm internet nerd thing. haha.
good to still see some familiar names around
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