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offline B123 from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-09-18 06:03 [#01973006]
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This is another doco about the WTC collapse, that I feel is
better than loose change.

I'm no lefty conspiricy nut, I just have problems digesting
the official story and want to know about it as possible,
from both sides.

knowledge is the key

Why am I posting here? Docos like this don't have the same
exposure as mainstream telivision news, so I am simply doing
my bit to keep the flow of information balanced. Watching it
is your choice. My only advice about this is if you thought
loose change was intresting, you will certainly enjoy this.



 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-09-18 06:11 [#01973009]
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people really love to exploit this shit don't they..


 

offline B123 from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-09-18 06:25 [#01973014]
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what do you mean?


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-18 06:31 [#01973018]
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fucking hell, not MORE 9/11 shit. let's stick to Porsche
911s.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-09-18 06:39 [#01973023]
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i mean there's a new dumb documentary on 9/11 released every
month.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-09-18 06:42 [#01973025]
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that's some funny shit tho. "look at this house, it holds a
crane"


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-09-18 13:46 [#01973296]
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That was a good documentary.


 

offline Phresch from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2006-09-18 13:51 [#01973300]
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haha!


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-09-18 15:11 [#01973366]
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Im watching it, but, shit, this lady can barely talk.


 

offline chambre noire from Iceland on 2006-09-18 15:22 [#01973376]
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this one is good too: 9/11: Press For Truth


 

offline OK on 2006-09-18 15:42 [#01973381]
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this one is the best of all

really it is!


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2006-09-18 15:48 [#01973386]
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it sounds like a long dubbed intro to ghost in the shell but
its ok so far


 

offline NewSkoolScience from Outer Bongolia on 2006-09-18 16:33 [#01973407]
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I just don't believe this conspiracy non-sense.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-09-18 16:44 [#01973413]
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It has terrible music.

These documentaries are great for showing that you can't
trust any media. Including the documentaries.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2006-09-18 17:33 [#01973441]
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did they even fall down?

does america exist? i 've never been there.


 

offline OK on 2006-09-18 17:40 [#01973444]
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i've been in new york, or at least i was led to believe so,
i even climbed one of the towers


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-09-18 18:27 [#01973453]
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Fuck, why did they have to put that phone call in there?


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-09-18 20:32 [#01973476]
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OK, are you coming back? Cause we have to do our casting
calls and rent the vehicles and carpenters if you are.
Fuck, did I just say that? Oh shit.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 20:41 [#01973481]
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the guy starts out by saying he's a conservative republican
who subjected himself to "literally not sleeping for an
entire week."

CRACKPOT!


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 21:16 [#01973491]
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there are some interesting facts at Controlled Demolition INC about
world record implosions. including the demolition of the
King Dome here in seattle (which i watched, great show).

for example: JL HUDSON DEPARTMENT STORE, the largest single
building ever imploded, tallest and largest steel structure
ever imploded. Notably, it took 24 days to set up, 4118
charges in 1100 locations. 36,000 feet of detonating cord
and 2728 lbs of explosives.

Now, this building is shrimpy compared to the WTC. if it
took all those explosives and blasting cord and 24 days to
set up, it seems impossible to me that a controlled
demolition of the WTC could have been engineered without
anybody noticing or at the very least, blowing the whistle.

instead of looking at crackpot videos by people intent on
proving a consperiacy, why not study actual controlled
demolition facts?

Unless the WTC was constructed with a built in self destruct
button... hmmm... i just blew my own mind.



 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-09-18 21:51 [#01973525]
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I think people WANT to believe this tripe.


 

offline OK on 2006-09-18 22:12 [#01973537]
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well the official story is just as crazy so we can believe
whatever we please ok?


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 22:13 [#01973538]
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ahh, they account for how someone could have wired the
structure for explosives toward the end of the movie...

i'll admit, the video is thorough even though i still say
its BS.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 22:15 [#01973539]
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i think if it is a consperiacy, a LOT of people are in on
it, and eventually somebody would come forward out of the
sheer weight of guilt.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 22:30 [#01973547]
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i admit it is the most convincing consperiacy movie i've
seen so far.

well done. I'm still not convinced though.

i mean, one of the "experts" they quote as a source is a
Physics Professor from Brigham Young University. A mormon
Physicist? isn't that an oxymoron?


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-09-18 22:32 [#01973548]
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oxymormon, maybe?


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 22:50 [#01973557]
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heheh, i was hoping somebody would say it.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-09-18 23:34 [#01973574]
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I heard it was cause jumbo jets flew into them at 300 miles
an hour and thousands of gallons of jet fuel burning
weakened the steal.. Makes sense to me.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 23:41 [#01973577]
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so naieve. obviously they fell because they were american
made.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 23:42 [#01973578]
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so (sp)naive. obviously they fell because they were
american made.


 

offline OK on 2006-09-19 02:39 [#01973614]
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this is a job for the mythbusters.

i can imagine them recreating the wtc towers and crashing a
boeing into it, then, when the towers don't collapse they'll
start placing explosives all over until they can blow them
up.



 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-19 02:56 [#01973618]
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haha!
who ya gonna call? Mythbusters!


 

offline OK on 2006-09-19 15:22 [#01974088]
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If there's something strange
in your neighborhood
Who ya gonna call?
MYTHTBUSTERS

If there's something weird
and it don't look good
Who ya gonna call?
MYTHTBUSTERS



 

offline Dinky Pimp from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 18:40 [#01974172]
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I think the whole shizzo was engineered.

Does anybody here know the cassetteboy track that took the
piss out of 9/11? It's fantastic. Might try to put it on BTA
and link it if I can be arsed.

Frank Sinatra: "Once I get up there, I'll be holding my
knife deep in the heart of you... I'm round the bend, I'm
mental, and I'm flying the plane... let's fly! Let's fly
into buildings, let's turn to ashes, cause I'm dying on a
jet plane, I know I won't be coming back again"

Here's a good Tony Blair cut up that I think I can remember
verbatim, from the same album (Parker Tapes):

"We are New Labour... we are New Labour... People ask me the
highlight of the election... for me it was watching The
Professionals on TV. It is, however, the drugs, and the
cars, and the money, that make government worthwhile. We
have the world's greatest fighting force, and let me tell
you what it will do. We are launching the biggest ever
attack on poor eleven year old Emma O'Brien from Ellesmore
Port, and we shall not stop until every eleven year old in
every part of Britain gets slashed on a knife edge. We said
we'd cut John Redwood - we have - we never said we'd cut Mo
Mowlam - but we did anyway. Their guts, pouring out -
they're not dead, just sleeping. We owe a debt to the people
of Dunblane... John Prescott stamped on the blood, and
bones, of the people of Dunblane... and that's a Labour
government in action! (applause) I guess I should just quit
while I'm ahead!"


 

offline stefano_azevedo from Pindorama (Brazil) on 2006-09-19 18:47 [#01974181]
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OMG it sums 11!


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-19 18:51 [#01974184]
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A conspiracy usually requires a group to behave with
complete secrecy and professionalism, but such groups-
government/etc tend to be too inept for this.
maybe


 

offline OK on 2006-09-19 19:16 [#01974200]
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i'd find it very strange that in over 3000 years of human
history there were no professional conspiracyists (sp???), i
mean there must be fully developed studies on human
manipulation. of course you can't go to college and get a
degree on that but the books must be somehwere. 3000 years
man 3000 years.


 

offline Dinky Pimp from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 19:20 [#01974203]
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The mind control of the Catholic church, ring any bells?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-19 19:21 [#01974204]
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well there is christianity...


 

offline Dinky Pimp from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 19:28 [#01974208]
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I wouldn't say Christianity, because that's following the
teachings of Christ, and whether you believe he existed or
not, what it's written that he's said is pretty sound. But
the Catholic church suxx major D in my opinion.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-09-19 19:34 [#01974210]
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Actually, its the belief in the resurrection that I defines
Christianity, I think.

Hell, I believe Jesus existed. Most people do.


 

offline Dinky Pimp from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 19:43 [#01974216]
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Not entirely sure about the whole resurrection thang, but
his teachings regarding how to treat people aren't the kind
of thing the Catholic church could twist.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-09-19 21:22 [#01974225]
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cassetteboy track kinda made me upset cause it was basically
validating the killing of innocent people. Like they
deserved it (women, babies, families, regular folks) casue
their government did bad things that they probably didn't
even know about. I happen to hate that logic.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-19 22:48 [#01974243]
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the only way to know for sure is to rebuild the WTC exactly
the same and crash a couple more planes into it.


 

offline OK on 2006-09-19 23:54 [#01974258]
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as I said a job for the mythbusters.

----

dinky the catholic church was formed after all the christ
bussiness, hell, they were the editors of the bible. and
yeah that kind of manipulation is what i'm talking about..
but the catholic church has lost power, the idea of
powerfull organizations fighting in secret for the control
of the world trough complicated ad twisted strategies
doesn't sound that paranoidy to me. problem is, humans are
mortal.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-20 14:10 [#01974653]
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i reckon the towers fell down because they got hit by planes


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2006-09-20 14:19 [#01974665]
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i reckon the some 40floors of weight that crashed through 3
floors of warped steel, and hit the next "still normal"
structure --- was a bit too much weight and it toppled
down.

all those "controlled demolition" theories are fuckin'crap.
lol
you can see the top 40floors or whatever lean to the size
just as it starts to come down.

too many civil and structural engineers here. shouldn't you
guys have jobs doing that sort of thing, rather than talk
about it on xltronics house of exlcelent electronic music?


 

offline OK on 2006-09-20 15:47 [#01974711]
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well the buildings held those 40 floors anyway so.....

why shouldnt them stand the weight in "freefall"


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2006-09-20 17:53 [#01974773]
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mass in freefall with gravity factored in = more force


 

offline OK on 2006-09-20 18:03 [#01974774]
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but wouldn't the steel slow the thing? so it's not free fall
at all?


 


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