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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-09-18 06:03 [#01973006]
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This is another doco about the WTC collapse, that I feel is better than loose change.
I'm no lefty conspiricy nut, I just have problems digesting the official story and want to know about it as possible, from both sides.
knowledge is the key
Why am I posting here? Docos like this don't have the same exposure as mainstream telivision news, so I am simply doing my bit to keep the flow of information balanced. Watching it is your choice. My only advice about this is if you thought loose change was intresting, you will certainly enjoy this.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-09-18 06:11 [#01973009]
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people really love to exploit this shit don't they..
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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-09-18 06:25 [#01973014]
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what do you mean?
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-18 06:31 [#01973018]
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fucking hell, not MORE 9/11 shit. let's stick to Porsche 911s.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-09-18 06:39 [#01973023]
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i mean there's a new dumb documentary on 9/11 released every month.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-09-18 06:42 [#01973025]
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that's some funny shit tho. "look at this house, it holds a crane"
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-09-18 13:46 [#01973296]
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That was a good documentary.
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Phresch
from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2006-09-18 13:51 [#01973300]
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haha!
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-09-18 15:11 [#01973366]
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Im watching it, but, shit, this lady can barely talk.
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2006-09-18 15:22 [#01973376]
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this one is good too: 9/11: Press For Truth
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OK
on 2006-09-18 15:42 [#01973381]
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this one is the best of all
really it is!
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-09-18 15:48 [#01973386]
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it sounds like a long dubbed intro to ghost in the shell but its ok so far
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NewSkoolScience
from Outer Bongolia on 2006-09-18 16:33 [#01973407]
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I just don't believe this conspiracy non-sense.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-09-18 16:44 [#01973413]
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It has terrible music.
These documentaries are great for showing that you can't trust any media. Including the documentaries.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-09-18 17:33 [#01973441]
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did they even fall down?
does america exist? i 've never been there.
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OK
on 2006-09-18 17:40 [#01973444]
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i've been in new york, or at least i was led to believe so, i even climbed one of the towers
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-09-18 18:27 [#01973453]
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Fuck, why did they have to put that phone call in there?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-09-18 20:32 [#01973476]
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OK, are you coming back? Cause we have to do our casting calls and rent the vehicles and carpenters if you are. Fuck, did I just say that? Oh shit.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 20:41 [#01973481]
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the guy starts out by saying he's a conservative republican who subjected himself to "literally not sleeping for an entire week."
CRACKPOT!
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 21:16 [#01973491]
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there are some interesting facts at Controlled Demolition INC about world record implosions. including the demolition of the King Dome here in seattle (which i watched, great show).
for example: JL HUDSON DEPARTMENT STORE, the largest single building ever imploded, tallest and largest steel structure ever imploded. Notably, it took 24 days to set up, 4118 charges in 1100 locations. 36,000 feet of detonating cord and 2728 lbs of explosives.
Now, this building is shrimpy compared to the WTC. if it took all those explosives and blasting cord and 24 days to set up, it seems impossible to me that a controlled demolition of the WTC could have been engineered without anybody noticing or at the very least, blowing the whistle.
instead of looking at crackpot videos by people intent on proving a consperiacy, why not study actual controlled demolition facts?
Unless the WTC was constructed with a built in self destruct button... hmmm... i just blew my own mind.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-09-18 21:51 [#01973525]
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I think people WANT to believe this tripe.
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OK
on 2006-09-18 22:12 [#01973537]
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well the official story is just as crazy so we can believe whatever we please ok?
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 22:13 [#01973538]
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ahh, they account for how someone could have wired the structure for explosives toward the end of the movie...
i'll admit, the video is thorough even though i still say its BS.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 22:15 [#01973539]
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i think if it is a consperiacy, a LOT of people are in on it, and eventually somebody would come forward out of the sheer weight of guilt.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 22:30 [#01973547]
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i admit it is the most convincing consperiacy movie i've seen so far.
well done. I'm still not convinced though.
i mean, one of the "experts" they quote as a source is a Physics Professor from Brigham Young University. A mormon Physicist? isn't that an oxymoron?
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-09-18 22:32 [#01973548]
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oxymormon, maybe?
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 22:50 [#01973557]
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heheh, i was hoping somebody would say it.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-09-18 23:34 [#01973574]
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I heard it was cause jumbo jets flew into them at 300 miles an hour and thousands of gallons of jet fuel burning weakened the steal.. Makes sense to me.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 23:41 [#01973577]
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so naieve. obviously they fell because they were american made.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-18 23:42 [#01973578]
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so (sp)naive. obviously they fell because they were american made.
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OK
on 2006-09-19 02:39 [#01973614]
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this is a job for the mythbusters.
i can imagine them recreating the wtc towers and crashing a boeing into it, then, when the towers don't collapse they'll start placing explosives all over until they can blow them up.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-19 02:56 [#01973618]
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haha! who ya gonna call? Mythbusters!
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OK
on 2006-09-19 15:22 [#01974088]
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If there's something strange in your neighborhood Who ya gonna call? MYTHTBUSTERS
If there's something weird and it don't look good Who ya gonna call? MYTHTBUSTERS
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Dinky Pimp
from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 18:40 [#01974172]
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I think the whole shizzo was engineered.
Does anybody here know the cassetteboy track that took the piss out of 9/11? It's fantastic. Might try to put it on BTA and link it if I can be arsed.
Frank Sinatra: "Once I get up there, I'll be holding my knife deep in the heart of you... I'm round the bend, I'm mental, and I'm flying the plane... let's fly! Let's fly into buildings, let's turn to ashes, cause I'm dying on a jet plane, I know I won't be coming back again"
Here's a good Tony Blair cut up that I think I can remember verbatim, from the same album (Parker Tapes):
"We are New Labour... we are New Labour... People ask me the highlight of the election... for me it was watching The Professionals on TV. It is, however, the drugs, and the cars, and the money, that make government worthwhile. We have the world's greatest fighting force, and let me tell you what it will do. We are launching the biggest ever attack on poor eleven year old Emma O'Brien from Ellesmore Port, and we shall not stop until every eleven year old in every part of Britain gets slashed on a knife edge. We said we'd cut John Redwood - we have - we never said we'd cut Mo Mowlam - but we did anyway. Their guts, pouring out - they're not dead, just sleeping. We owe a debt to the people of Dunblane... John Prescott stamped on the blood, and bones, of the people of Dunblane... and that's a Labour government in action! (applause) I guess I should just quit while I'm ahead!"
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stefano_azevedo
from Pindorama (Brazil) on 2006-09-19 18:47 [#01974181]
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OMG it sums 11!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-19 18:51 [#01974184]
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A conspiracy usually requires a group to behave with complete secrecy and professionalism, but such groups- government/etc tend to be too inept for this.
maybe
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OK
on 2006-09-19 19:16 [#01974200]
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i'd find it very strange that in over 3000 years of human history there were no professional conspiracyists (sp???), i mean there must be fully developed studies on human manipulation. of course you can't go to college and get a degree on that but the books must be somehwere. 3000 years man 3000 years.
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Dinky Pimp
from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 19:20 [#01974203]
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The mind control of the Catholic church, ring any bells?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-19 19:21 [#01974204]
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well there is christianity...
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Dinky Pimp
from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 19:28 [#01974208]
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I wouldn't say Christianity, because that's following the teachings of Christ, and whether you believe he existed or not, what it's written that he's said is pretty sound. But the Catholic church suxx major D in my opinion.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-09-19 19:34 [#01974210]
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Actually, its the belief in the resurrection that I defines Christianity, I think.
Hell, I believe Jesus existed. Most people do.
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Dinky Pimp
from United Kingdom on 2006-09-19 19:43 [#01974216]
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Not entirely sure about the whole resurrection thang, but his teachings regarding how to treat people aren't the kind of thing the Catholic church could twist.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-09-19 21:22 [#01974225]
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cassetteboy track kinda made me upset cause it was basically validating the killing of innocent people. Like they deserved it (women, babies, families, regular folks) casue their government did bad things that they probably didn't even know about. I happen to hate that logic.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-19 22:48 [#01974243]
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the only way to know for sure is to rebuild the WTC exactly the same and crash a couple more planes into it.
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OK
on 2006-09-19 23:54 [#01974258]
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as I said a job for the mythbusters.
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dinky the catholic church was formed after all the christ bussiness, hell, they were the editors of the bible. and yeah that kind of manipulation is what i'm talking about.. but the catholic church has lost power, the idea of powerfull organizations fighting in secret for the control of the world trough complicated ad twisted strategies doesn't sound that paranoidy to me. problem is, humans are mortal.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-20 14:10 [#01974653]
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i reckon the towers fell down because they got hit by planes
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-09-20 14:19 [#01974665]
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i reckon the some 40floors of weight that crashed through 3 floors of warped steel, and hit the next "still normal" structure --- was a bit too much weight and it toppled down.
all those "controlled demolition" theories are fuckin'crap. lol
you can see the top 40floors or whatever lean to the size just as it starts to come down.
too many civil and structural engineers here. shouldn't you guys have jobs doing that sort of thing, rather than talk about it on xltronics house of exlcelent electronic music?
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OK
on 2006-09-20 15:47 [#01974711]
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well the buildings held those 40 floors anyway so.....
why shouldnt them stand the weight in "freefall"
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-09-20 17:53 [#01974773]
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mass in freefall with gravity factored in = more force
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OK
on 2006-09-20 18:03 [#01974774]
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but wouldn't the steel slow the thing? so it's not free fall at all?
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