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offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-09-16 19:40 [#01972294]
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i think some of this is a bit far, but yes its a nice idea.
but would never work if everyone did it. so is that selfish
to think like that?



offline Anus_Presley on 2006-09-16 19:41 [#01972295]
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what everr happened to you, like, leaving?


offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-09-16 19:45 [#01972297]
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i did leave. but i never said i wasnt coming back.

actually i probably did.


offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-09-16 19:50 [#01972299]
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Nice article, thanks.


offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-16 19:50 [#01972300]
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the answer is positive thinking.


offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-09-16 19:57 [#01972302]
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Today, gone are good company, good cheer and good beer as
cures. Melancholy has been professionalised, commodified,
industrialised. It has been transformed into a "condition"
with a costly chemical cure. These pills make the most
gigantic profits for their dealers, the drugs giants.
Depression is big business.

Well, Thom Yorke's making a fortune, I guess.


offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-16 20:25 [#01972323]
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Driving without insurance? Nice.

Contrary to popular belief, if you have an accident that's
your fault when you're uninsured, the other party won't be
"taken care of" by the pot the insurers all pay into for
uninsured losses. The person will only get a tiny fraction
of what they should have. For example, if you put them in a
wheelchair, they will get about £20K as opposed to the
hundreds of thousands of pounds they would get.

So, it would appear you can be free, iso long as you're
prepared to fuck over other people. Which is exactly what
those at the top in business do. So it makes you a hypocrite
(I mean if you follow this course of action- not you
personally i_x_ten). Sounds like once again, a deadbeat
slacker is trying to intellectualise and morally justify a
course of action they'd take anyway, regardless of the
morality of the thing.


offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-09-16 20:28 [#01972326]
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Why are you that way with people ?


offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2006-09-16 20:41 [#01972336]
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thought crime


offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-09-16 20:50 [#01972339]
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you base your point on one (1) aspect out of the article,
not even one he actually presents as something you should

I would call that kind of missing the point.


offline avart from nomo' on 2006-09-16 20:54 [#01972343]
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thanks both i_x_ten and J198, interesting reading!


offline thatne from United States on 2006-09-16 21:10 [#01972346]
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irresponsibility does not give freedom,
and you should be honest as possible.


offline thatne from United States on 2006-09-16 21:13 [#01972347]
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its a complex question. as i see it the
main reason not to go homeless and
live peripatetically or transcendentally
is to brave the phenomenon of other-
ness. however it gets cold some nights
where i live and i am reluctant to do it.


offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-09-16 23:10 [#01972365]
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what he's basically saying, though, is not that you should
shirk all sense of responsibility, just that not everything
you are feeling responsible for is actually your
responsibility in the first place, that society as it is
structured these days is geared to making you think
unimportant things are important.

I quite like the ideas he proposes. I don't think it's that
much about immediately wanting people to change their ways
(although I don't doubt that is his intention in the end),
but more that people think about their situation,
think about how they live and why they live like they do.


offline zero-cool on 2006-09-16 23:41 [#01972372]
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i know who wrote this


offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-09-16 23:46 [#01972374]
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offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2006-09-17 00:11 [#01972378]
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Uncle Ted?

He never comes over for Christmas anymore...


offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-09-17 03:14 [#01972397]
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the way I see it the problem is quite the opposite.. people
don't take enough responsibility for their actions as it is.
he also quotes my ethics lecturer who is a bit.. well..
irresponsible to begin with. he also keeps spouting movie
references in all directions, and quite missed the point
about boredom, imo.


offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-17 03:48 [#01972405]
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I tried not to be anxious once, but at the time they were
getting ready to burn me for false accusations that I was a
witch. It worked really good. They lit my cross and my flesh
started sizzling and I was just like 'who cares'.


offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2006-09-17 04:21 [#01972421]
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Pretty interesting read, that


offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-09-17 07:45 [#01972482]
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No, that was just one facet of shirking responsibility
(admittedly what to my mind, is the worst out of the things
he described).

Not paying your household bills is also irresponsible and
selfish. "Oh they're a big corporation; they can afford it!"
Nope. Non-payment of bills and the costs associated with
recovering them don't go to the company; they don't dent
their profits. The companies just up their bills to
compensate. So, once again, it's your peers that suffer/foot
the bill, rather than these big faceless capitalistic

Also, he advises against getting a pension. Not entirely
unreasonable; I myself don't have pension, I prefer to put
my money into property which I plan to lease to pay for my
retirement. Fairly sensible; no one is going to be able to
do a fast one with my property, whereas they can with my
pension. I can enjoy the property now (and money from
renting it), so if I lunch myself on my motorbike next year,
I won't of wasted the money on a pension I'll never get. So
in this respect I agree with the article. Again though, he
also suggests a rather unpleasent alternative, "Another
option is simply to give up and let God provide, and when I
say "God", I mean friends, relatives and neighbours.
Any friends/relatives/neighbours of mine who have
chosen not to work (rather than been unable to) can
fuck off when it comes to me gifting them money to allow
them to retire. I wish the state also shared this view.

He talks about Burton's Anatomy of Melancholy (Good book, if
a bit slow in places). He seems to of missed the whole
point: There's always been a sense of sadness/unfullfilment
and wanting a better life. Even hundreds of years ago,
people still got depressed when we all worked with our
hands. Capitalism may exaccerbate the situation, but it's
not the sole creator of this problem.


offline skeksi23 from ∆ on 2006-09-17 10:04 [#01972545]
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what i want to know is how does he propose to earn 10 grand
a year with no job? nice ideas in the article but saying
that society is fucked and blaming that for all is a bit
like stating the obvious imho


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-10-29 04:03 [#02606590]
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and here's a story about being free


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-10-29 04:34 [#02606591]
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you're free, but how do you stay organized?


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2020-10-29 04:55 [#02606592]
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i guess there's always eating meat exclusively and
exclusively and withdrawing from benzodiazepines on youtube,
or, less preferably, the joe rogan experience


offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2020-10-29 07:59 [#02606595]
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free is when you dont have to pay for nothing or do nothi...


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