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I was just thinking alot about infinity (~) and wether its just a theory or rather it actually exists. Its strange to think that a number has ~ decimal places (Pi for example). Yet if you say that there are ~ decimal places then what happens when say you have an object that is 10 units away from another object, but then is moved 11 foward so that it is 1 unit behind the second object. Wouldnt that therefore mean that as this object moved there was an end somewhere after the decimals so that you could pass from each number to the next? Well i don know if what i'm tryign to say makes sence or not, but my question is this: Is infinity just an idea or can it be applied to anything? |
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One more thing: Infinity describes and endless property to something, yet it seems there isnt much that this can be applied too. Almost everything with a start must have an end..... (this has got my brain in circular thinking, hey maby thats ~, dammit the thought of something being endless isnt easy on the brain) |
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since infinity would have to be outside a human's field of knowledge by definition, i don't think there is much point discussing - we can never prove it either way. |
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No. When My beer is finished, there's no more beer inside the can... So this is crap. |
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imagine a infinite universe. there are a infinite numbers of stars with a infinite number of planets. the result would be a infinite number of human-like species. based on the probability there would surely be a race with the same genes like you have. of cause there would be someone who acts like you, but he isn't you. because there are no boundaries there would a infinite number of "copies". Unbelievable. (I hope my english isn't so bad as I think). |
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he never said beer was infinite did he? |
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i'm no mathematician, but my understanding was that it is a "concept" in the sense that we shouldn't treat it as a number, but more like a dimension. ? mmmhhh. infact - labelling it as "infinity" is a little misleading (this is stream of consciousness here) as it places a finite restriction on the concept? mmmhhh.. i don't know .. quite like the idea of it meself tho |
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you are saying that by defining infinity, it is being limited? |
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You can run around in circles infinitely. |
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have you tried it? |
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Yes, we always had to do that in gym class. I didn't like it much though... |
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I believe analogue waveformsignals have infinite intervals(maybe not) |
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No, I don't think infinity exists. |
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Has anyone seen Waking Life? The movie makes a convincing arguement that time is an illusion, and therefore so is infinity. |
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infinity is just an idea applied to certain things.. its just a characteristic.. 3.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 like 1/3, in decimal form, would be 3333333333333333333333333333333... u get the idea the threes would keep going... i dont see how it CANT exist.. or PI, or any curved line for that matter... the digits used to measure them just keep going, since it never stops follows a strate line.. if it did, it would stay at a number |
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well yes, infinity is real in the sense that if you take the number 3.3, you can repeat 3's forever after the decimal and it would follow all mathematical rules... you can also take the number 3000000000 and put as many zero's at the end, and it would still follow all mathematical rules... the way that numbers are defined, and constructed makes infinity real, the idea... now, whether the universe is infinite, or whatever, that can't be proven... |
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yet anyways... |
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The Present Moment is infinite. http://www.eckharttolle.com/power_of_now.htm |
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Infinity is apliable to all system where cycles never end. But There is no infinity. here's my theory. My theory is that all "systems" follow his cycle with a Beginning and a End. A "cycle" that keep looping as long as there is all the elements needed to make the cycle go round. If one of those elements miss or if there's a "Rupture factor", the cycle is broken, wich means death of the system. All life's story. For example: in 1809, in South of france, There were many swamps, the inner life of swamps inhabitants (all those creeps,bugs and else) followed a peaceful cycle a long time... T'il the day man introduced some kind of really Big rats for their skin, (i think those were Racoons or something like). They said they wanted to let them live free, in those swanps. And so they broke a micro cycle, killed a system. the rats fucked everything around the swamps. See? Here, the swamp is the "system". a micro world with it's rulz and it's own cycle. Like an office, a restaurant, yer house.) The rats are what I call Rupture factor. The factor that break the cycle. After they fucked all around up, a new order come. a new system (where rats rulz.) At the death of a system, a new one always come. This can be applied to many things. |
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Thoughts like these keep me awake and thinking late at night. What the hell existed before earth? Or were we always here? But HOW?!?! How can that be? BLARGANFLARGAN!!! |
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there is infinity... but sadly it's unreachable |
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in maths, this is the same thing. But there is no rupture factor. only limitations. Limitations is all things that make us unable to calculate really big numbers. (Super calculator hardware limitations, our memory...) in maths there is no infinity too. The infinity is theorical only. There is only 10 numbers. other numbers are only combination of those 10. Limitations makes us unable to calculate a complete chain of num. like Pi. But pi got an end. |
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we just haven't found it yet |
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infinity to me is just another word for: "we don't know how much" Example: 'there are infinite possibilities is the same as: 'we don't know how much possibilities' |
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if something hasn't been found, how can it be known to exist? |
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I know what you're trying to say. If you have a machine with infinite memory you would be able to calculate pi. And if there not enough room in the whole universe for this machine we wouldn't be able to calculate pi. |
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depends |
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on what? yu can make an infinity of circle on a sheet of paper but, finally you'll be limited by the ink of yer pen or by the blank space of the sheet. As long as there is limitations or "Cycle rupture factor" there is no infinity. |
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you say "yu can make an infinity of circle on a sheet of paper" but then contradict yourself. infinity is a useless thing to discuss, especially by mortals |
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I think the movie pi really hits the nail on the head, there MIGHT be infinite dimensions to, say, the universe, but you have to think, there ARE limitations, there is infinite space, but not infinite materials that make it up, so some areas might be repeated, well, most DEFINITELY repeated, if space is infinite. There might be infinite numbers, but they can be rounded off. :) just kidding I think pi shouldn't be seen as a number as much as it should be seen as a form of ratio or comparison, though. you know? I see where shortcircuit is coming from, as well. There's got to be some sort of pattern if something is infinite, in an infinite number, there are 10 possible digits to make it up, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0, that means there are really restricted limits, and its the same with the universe, theres a fairly limited number of elements and space, so it has to repeat itself after awhile. Anybody can go on for hours with this. |
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ok, well lets just go get the almighty god of mathematics to come and explain to us the concept of infinity... ;) |
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Look, pal. my english is pretty chaotic. learned on school lesson, videogames, internet, comics, vo films... I should have said "yu can try to make an infinity of circle..." is it more clear? |
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How many possibiltis within every cycle, I wold call it to be an infinit number. Every little change is a change, and therefor new. All is a part of non, and non is a part of all. Infinity lies within the paradox of all things. Nothing is limited, yet limitations are a condision of all. |
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paradoxes don't really exist; we just think they do |
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the circle is infinitely continuing, but like i said, i consider it a loop, you know how is a loop of one pattern infinity? i dont really consider that infinity. i'm not saying there isnt infinity, but it definitely doesnt continue to make new changes all the time, its gotta skip and repeat patterns and stuff |
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It's a word to make peapol understand, and I used it to make you understand, if it's your choise to hang up on the word it self and dont listen to the meaning.. Well thats your problem. |
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infinity exists. to define limits. end of discussion. |
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if infinity does exist can't this discussion be infinite in length and keep going with no end in sight. Or maybe infinite means no end because it is circualr and therefor this discussion could be rehashed every once in a while in a new thread. That way the same ground could be covered over and over again. |
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i don't think this thread can be infinite .. it will always have a finite number of posts .. the mechanism of posting could have an aspect of infinity to it .. but bleargh... buf, goarbfph pedurcks and pop |
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If it's finite where does it end? |
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it doesn't have to end to be finite! - there is still always "one more" you can add .... infinity + 1 = infinity ... opposed to a really big number + 1 = an even bigger number?! finite things surely don't have to be confined to a static state of such and such - *eourghfelvts ?? |
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as soon as you point to something it can't be infinite .. because you have already assigned a finite quality to it (by naming it/classifying it). ??? thatz just imo tho! |
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Finite means 'having dfinable limits'. simple 's that. So what would the # of post limit be for this thread? |
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Can things like space just stop, what is after the stop? |
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infinty exists only as a concept not as a place on a map so we can not search for it. |
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why does the limit have to be definable? "a" limit is finite!!! ie. the concept of a limit is finite ?! don't get me wrong, i'm just sort of exploring my stream of consciousness. |
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I was just going by the dictionary definition of finite/infinite. Definable limit=finite. Exploring thoughts is the only way we can evolve so keep up the good work : ) |
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sweet :) no offence intended hehe .. |
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the expansion of the universe could be infinite without the mass of the universe being infinite. in otherwords there could be an finite amount of stuff infinately moving apart. |
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The nature of infinity is not to be explained nor seen... |
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