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offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 14:22 [#01951821]
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dude, re-read what he posted.


 

offline sirmailbox from chicago area (United States) on 2006-08-10 14:34 [#01951824]
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I think we need to do one of those threads where everyone
repeats variations of a certain phrase every post. Like the
LTJ Bukem giving thanks and comebacks one. Except we need to
do it with the soundbytes we're hearing for the terror plot.
Lighten up the situation anyway.

To be serious though, I don't give a shit about terrorism.
More people die in the US and UK from falling down the
stairs, probably. I don't care that some planes almost got
hijacked. So what? Getting killed by a terrorist is still
like winning the lottery.


 

offline sirmailbox from chicago area (United States) on 2006-08-10 14:36 [#01951825]
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Untold death and destruction, quite frankly. Quite frankly,
mass terrorists.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-10 14:45 [#01951828]
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Yeah, getting killed by a terrorist is awesome, it's like
being part of the zeitgeist.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 14:51 [#01951829]
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have you ever tried to understand why they do it?


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-10 15:02 [#01951832]
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zeitgeist of the noughies. terrorists and das krazy frog.



 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2006-08-10 15:02 [#01951833]
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because they are noobs?


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-10 15:02 [#01951834]
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Because they're selfish cunts.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 15:05 [#01951835]
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:(

they have legitimate grievences though..

i'll agree with you that the tactics of terrorists are
abominable and inexcusable, but not bothering to understand
where they're coming from and instead just labelling them as
selfish cunts won't do anything to defuse the situation..


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-10 15:08 [#01951836]
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It's pretty obvious I'm kidding. I don't really, actually
believe that being blown to tiny pieces by a religious
fanatic is "awesome".



 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 15:09 [#01951838]
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i understood that when i posed my question


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2006-08-10 15:09 [#01951840]
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I assume terrorists want change, reform or to elimate
certain people from power?

If thats the case then they think exactly like me only I
don't kill people like a stupid noob.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-10 15:11 [#01951841]
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I understand where they're coming from but I refuse to
sympathise with them.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-10 15:12 [#01951842]
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I can understand the reasons in a dry, technical sense, but
I have no empathy with either the fundamentalist christians
that support Bush or the Islamic jihad.
I woudn't make any statements defending either of them.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-08-10 15:14 [#01951843]
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i sympathise with their aim of destroying democracy and
returning to the Dark Ages. It'd be so much more... real,
man.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 15:17 [#01951844]
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As far as they see it, they're visiting on the western world
what's been visited on their "muslim brothers" for the past
however many hundreds of years. You might say, however, the
Jews have never gone bezerk and staged similar terrorist
campaigns (perhaps they have, there are those mentalist
hard-liners, as there are with any religion) against the
perpetrators of horrid campaigns of violence and persecution
against their brothers.. but still.

i don't know, i just don't know, i just wish everyone on
both sides would put their emotions aside and see things
from others' perspectives and start being constructive. i
feel like the whole global society is crumbling bit by bit
every day and it discomforts me.

giginger - that's fair enough. then you acknowledge that the
reason why they stage bombing campaigns, or campaigns of any
kind of terror, is not due to their selfishness?


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 15:21 [#01951845]
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democracy in the western world is an illusion


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2006-08-10 15:30 [#01951847]
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if america told the truth for just one day,
the world would fall apart


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-10 16:16 [#01951854]
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Who here would rather live in an Islamic Fundamentalist
state like Iran or Yemen rather than a western country like
the UK or US?
Maybe your existence in the middle east would be more
"spiritual" and have "meaning".


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 16:24 [#01951863]
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The answer to your question is neither here nor there; it's
irrelevent. Out of all the crazy extremists, there is only a
handful of nuts who want to establish states that follow
islamic law in the west (Abu Hamza being a notable one - i
believe he stated that he was striving to see the islamic
flag flying outside westminister)


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-10 16:31 [#01951868]
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I don't beleive that we will ever see an Islamic state in
the west, that would be right-wing alarmism.
I genuinely meant the question. Could you imagine being
happier living a very strict religious lifestyle?
I put those words in quotes because everybody has a
differnet idea of what they mean.

Personally, I am way too decadant.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 16:36 [#01951873]
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No, as a westerner, I don't think i could. But had I been
born into it, it'd be a different matter, as it would be for
you. That's why their lifestyle is so alien to us, and ours
alien to them.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as they uphold human
rights, I couldn't give two shits. Diversity of lifestyle
and people is great.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-10 16:40 [#01951877]
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But isn't it impossible for any religious fundamentalist to
uphold human rights if their holy book prohibits something
like homosexuality or bare flesh or eating fish on a Friday
or whatever?


 

offline 7Pd from britney's upskirt vagina on 2006-08-10 16:47 [#01951878]
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wait a minute
these arab homos are gonna ban fish?


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 16:47 [#01951880]
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ha


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-10 16:49 [#01951881]
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Yes, even christian fundies.
Like when they send their gay kids to straight camp.


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 18:50 [#01952068]
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i work with an iranian chappy who's dad was a general in the
army duringt he iran-iraq war and he's laid out some
intersting facts:

-iran is officially islamic but most young people couldn't
give a toss and enjoy raving/sex as much as the rest of us.
They joke a lot about islamic fundamentalism and are
basically tired of the current admin but too fatigued to
change it and just want out of the place.

- they're well clued into american imperialism

- iranian secret service has lots of sleeper cells in
western countries... if iranian soverignty was threathened
then al queda would look like charlie brown and freinds
going on a picnic.

- iranians hate arabs (iraq, saudi etc)

- Saddam did more good ashit for iraq than bad shit.. read
the wikipedia artcile on him.. its qute positive about him.
Now look at that region.

Hapy days!



 

offline sirmailbox from chicago area (United States) on 2006-08-10 18:54 [#01952074]
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I don't really think the label of "terrorist" is specific or
meaningful anymore. Seems like a reasonable definition would
be: someone who instigates fear, usually though violent
means, in order to achieve a particular aim. Well, the
entire planet's done that at some point or another.

I can't figure out why people pay terrorism so much
attention. Is it because it's usually directed at civilians?
Is that what we base the distinction between terrorist
attacks and legal acts of war on? If that IS the
distinction, then.. well, every war has civilian casualties.
Whether they're intentional or not is pretty irrelevant.

Far as I can tell, terrorists are just a shitty group that's
less organized, less financially supported, much smaller and
far less effective at killing people than a regular army.

For those of you in the US -- remember the Oklahoma City
bombing? That was just as close to home as 9/11. And yet
there wasn't a years-long scare about domestic terrorism. I
don't see how 9/11 was very different. People crash planes
into buildings and put bombs on trains. Until it starts to
be comparable to a REAL war, or cancer or AIDS or drunk
driving deaths, I don't think it deserves the attention it
gets.

Trying to analyze why terrorists blow shit up is kind of
silly. First of all, there's no single reason or set of
reasons. We're talking about entirely different groups, each
with their own motives. And within those groups are
individuals who in turn have their own personal motives.
Second of all, people have never needed a particularly good
reason to kill people. Just because they're really pissed
off doesn't mean there's some dark secret that only they
know about, some offense the west committed that all of us
are totally ignorant of.

Redrum, your feelings on everyone being constructive are
admirable but naive. Selfishness is necessary for survival
for human beings, organizations, countries etc. Sometimes
that means killing people.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 19:00 [#01952077]
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In retrospect, i did sound like a bit of a child in that
post.

Still, I think what you conclude with is completely wrong
and a product of your surroundings.. Kaniving (sp?) and
manipulative people in the race-to-the-top of the world's
most ruthlessly capitalist system.

I'd agree with all this undue attention though. The reason
is, i believe, the republicans need to beat the public about
the head with the fear stick so that they'll get their
trusty commander-in-chief re-elected; so that he can take
care of them and protect them from all the badness.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 19:03 [#01952078]
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also, your dismissal of my insistance that people try to
understand why terrorists do what they do is ignorant and
the adoption of that kind of attitude only serves to speed
up the doomsday clock.

these terrorists have many grievances, yes. does the fact
that there's a multitude of them excuse you from examining
them and asking yourself whether they're valid or not? of
course not. it should do the exact opposite and compel you
even more forcefully to examine them.



 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-08-10 19:04 [#01952081]
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they won't let people take toothpaste onto the planes. this
was absolutely no inconvenience to the English.

AHH HAHAHAHAHA!!!11!!!


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 19:06 [#01952082]
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at least the british can see their own fucking feet


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-10 19:07 [#01952083]
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(good one, though. honest.)


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-08-10 19:13 [#01952084]
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it's true, the americans are pissed because all our favorite
cheeses are in liquid or gel form.


 

offline 7Pd from britney's upskirt vagina on 2006-08-10 19:14 [#01952085]
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AMERICA IS SETTING ITS OWN AGENDA TO MAKE POSSIBLE ITS TOTAL
GLOBAL ECONOMIC MILITARY CONTROL IN THE NEW AMERICAN
CENTURY

WE'RE TALKING 25 -50 YR PLANS HERE

THE CLIMATE OF FEAR / WAR ON TERROR AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE
NECESSARY STEPS IN THE PLAN THAT WILL SUPPOSEDLY HELP ALLOW
THE USA TO ACHIEVE ITS GOALS



 

offline sirmailbox from chicago area (United States) on 2006-08-10 19:31 [#01952093]
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The reason for the undue attention cannot be an effort to
reelect Bush. This is his second term, American presidents
are only allowed two terms. He's out in just a couple years
(finally).

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to figure out the motives of
particular groups or individuals. Just that asking "why"
with respect to terrorism in general is silly. It's as silly
as asking, "why do people kill each other?"

You said that terrorists have legitimate grievances. That's
so sweeping and broad a statement that it's absolutely
unprovable. You're saying that the people who tried to blow
up those airplanes leaving Heathrow have legitimate
grievances? You don't even know who they ARE. Last I heard
the only information the public's got on the people arrested
is that there are about twenty of them, and some of them are
Egyptian. And those people haven't even been convicted yet,
so -- point is -- you don't know shit about these people's
grievances. But (I presume) you're associating these
particular anonymous hijackers with OTHER "terrorists" that
you DO know about. In other words, you're just lumping them
all together. Various groups with various and, in all
probability, sometimes conflicting motivations. All lumped
into one group that you can sympathize with. I'm not going
to analyze the motivations of some imaginary global
association of terrorism, nor will I shed a tear for it.
Just like how I wouldn't analyze the motivations of Santa
Claus, for a like reason: he doesn't exist


 

offline sirmailbox from chicago area (United States) on 2006-08-10 19:34 [#01952094]
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So yeah, you basically just conjured up imaginary reasons
for why these hijackers tried to blow up the planes coming
out of Heathrow, then sympathized with them and bled your
heart out. You made them up so you could cry for them.


 

offline oyvinto on 2006-08-10 19:35 [#01952095]
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so these chavs developed a stable form of liquid
nitroglycerin? yeah right


 

offline zero-cool on 2006-08-11 00:56 [#01952146]
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you make just about anything explosive with soap and orange
juice


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-08-11 04:31 [#01952191]
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well, maybe the Ameri-British government made these
terrorists up in the first place, so in the end it all evens
out. :P


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2006-08-11 04:47 [#01952192]
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my terrorism is to make what i really like
...


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-11 07:37 [#01952228]
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Who is the girl in your avatar?


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-11 07:55 [#01952232]
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I was talking about his re-election that occured.. what is
it.. 2 years ago?

And anyway, the fear can be used for other purposes at this
point in time. for convincing people that the infringements
on their civil liberties are justified. for excusing
wire-tapping, guantanamo, flights of "extraordinary
rendition", etc etc etc.

As for the rest of your post, you talk about me knowing
nothing of the would-be-hijackers' personal grievances.
That's true. And that there's no worldwide terrorist
organisation. That too, is true.

But, regardless of the fact that there is no material
organisation that is "al-quaeda", there is still its
ideology, and that is its essence. It is what drives these
terrorists, who, contrary to what you say, do, for the most
part, have the same grievances -

- hatred for the israelis and americans for what Israel has
done to neighbouring states and inside the occupied
territories for decades now,

- resentment of american army presence on their holy lands

- resentment of the influence of western culture on their
traditional values

the first two are absolutely valid. the third is debatable.


What i'm saying is, fair play, you don't subscribe to all
the al-quaeda scarmongering. But there is an ideology of
violence, driven by the grievances i've outlined in this
post, which is the common denominator between all of the
islamist terrorists coming to the fore nowadays.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2006-08-11 08:12 [#01952240]
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looks like lily allen who is a fad chav


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-08-11 08:17 [#01952241]
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You know what, I'd find Lily Allen sort of cute if I didn't
know her dad was Keith Allen. She reminds me of him too
much.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2006-08-11 08:20 [#01952242]
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mmm yes im cutie*


 

offline sirmailbox from chicago area (United States) on 2006-08-11 11:53 [#01952338]
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Redrum, you're right about the fear being used for those
things. I completely agree.

" there is still its
ideology, and that is its essence. It is what drives these
terrorists, who, contrary to what you say, do, for the most
part, have the same grievances"

You're just repeating the same mistake you already made --
lumping these unknown hijackers with the better known
terrorists whose ambitions you think you understand. You
don't know the Heathrow hijackers' ideologies or grievances.
You are assuming they are similar to the particular ones you
are familiar with.

The only reason I take offense to you acting so self assured
when you're declaring that these people have legitimate
reasons is this: it makes you seem like an apologist for
terrorism. Yes, you put down the standard disclaimer of
"violence is inexcusable and awful", but ultimately your
objective here seems to be rationalizing and legitimizing
terrorist attacks. Which is fine by me, except in this
situation with the Heathrow hijackers, you don't know shit
about them, but you're STILL trying to legitimize their
actions.

I'm compelled to ask, why would you give the benefit of the
doubt to a bunch of strangers whose goal was to commit
suicide by blowing up themselves along with thousands of
innocents, women and children included?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-08-11 11:55 [#01952340]
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Wouldn't people safer if we called it Heathrow Hijinks
instead of hijacking?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-08-11 11:56 [#01952341]
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*feel


 

offline Chihiro from twins land on 2006-08-11 13:45 [#01952395]
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insane story


 


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