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It's easy to look at time periods with 20/20 hindsight and identify fads, cultural trends, etc. We all have the stereotypical image of the 70's, 80's, 90's, etc. firmly planted in our collective consciousness whether it reflects the truth of the times or not. There's no way we could ever know for sure what is going on right here, right now that will seem dated and potentially even 'retro' decades from now.. but it's fun to speculate. What will people in the future see when they look back on today (or the very recent past)?.. what facet of our culture will come to define the decade? Fashions/genres/ideologies that seem natural now, but will, with time, be tantamount to our concept of the hippie movement, disco, grunge, what-have-you.. speculations: - Emo / Indie / Hipster stuff (all these seem different today, but I think with the passing of time they will become somewhat of a blur). - Instant Messengers / Myspace - the switch to an 'On Demand' society (in conjunction with mp3s, Tivo, etc.) these don't have to be good things, btw.. |
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You seem to have hit the spot directly. That's what I think we will be remebered for anyways. And bad political decisions. |
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one day Myspace will come crashing down i look forward to it |
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i think you basically got it covered man.. |
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surely there's something I'm not seeing.. horsefactory: I was actually thinking that could be included in the 'hipster' category, aka the unfortunate 'Random Revolution,' but if you're referring to the technological rather than fashion aspect of the Ipod, then you may have a case there for all mp3 players, standardization of all kinds of media into digital, internet-ready formats... |
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i hate emos, indians and hipsters. |
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I've been thinking about this a lot actually, good call. I don't think there's been as much of an aesthetic shift between the 90's and 00's as there was between the 80's and the nineties. You had stuff like grunge and acid house at the end of the eighties which paved the way for a lot of nineties youth culture. The same thing happened with new wave and disco at the end of the 70's leading into the eighties. (are you still following me? okay...) What was there new at the end of the 90's? Some stuff like trip-hop or electronica or the french touch or whatever...but no massive shift like punk or acid house. It seems like we're having revivals of revivals now, like all these crappy post-punk lite bands like Franz Ferdinand, The Futureheads, Bloc Party, etc, we already had a '79 art rock revival in the mid nineties with bands like Elastica! So basically, there is some good stuff out there like grime and a lot ethe electro-house stuff like Erol Alkan and 2Many DJ's spin, but mostly we need a lot more new ideas. The 90's was already a really retro decade (except no one liked the eighties) so why have another even more retro decade now? |
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igeneration |
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crappy post-punk lite bands like Franz Ferdinand, The Futureheads, Bloc Party, etc, they really piss me off. they are all the same. some of it is ok, but it really does sound like its all just one band. |
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I turned on Radio 1 every now and again last night and almost every song on Lamac sounded like that. Why do people take this shit so seriously? And nothing new can be hailed as the next interesting fresh thing because everybody (the music press, tabloids, broadsheets, "alternative" radio, etc) are convinced this is some amazing revolution like punk or something. |
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I do follow your logic and think it makes alot of sense. I've always found it fascinating how the end of one decade bleeds into the next, i.e. 80's synthpop could still be heard in early 90's pop, 70's disco could still be heard in early 80's stuff, etc. As you were saying, the 90s-00s shift seems almost nonexistent, aside from very, very nitpicky shifts such as the boyband backlash at the beginning of this decade.. all stuff that will probably be subsumed into the broader trends. But like you said, everything is so recycled / self-referential / self-consciously retro ('postmodern' as the academics like to say) that it makes you wonder whether actual progression is grinding to a halt.. or, will that shift actually become the defining 00 characteristic? That's why I wonder if this apparent cultural stalemate is only due to the fact that we're in the midst of a change and cannot zoom out yet. |
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Oh and silly little things little neo-conservatism and 9/11... Come back John Major and Bill Clinton! All is forgiven! |
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clinton was great. major wasnt. this wacky-neo-nazi-uber-evangelist-behead women who want abortions -shit is quite new. |
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as far as Franz, Bloc Party, etc goes.. I used to bash them too until this horrible VH1 wave of sad sack piano ballad pop singers hit the airwaves i.e. James Blunt, Jamie Cullum, the Fray, Daniel Powter, Five for Fighting, Train.. ick! just when you think it can't get any worse.. |
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James Blunt, Jamie Cullum hate 'em its more of this bohemian shit. |
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Clinton generally had the same views as Major. There isn't much difference between a moderate British conservative and a moderate American liberal. |
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I'd like to hear what dog_belch has to say on the matter. |
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I think I'm too old. That is my defining impression of the Noughties. i think RnB dominates, doesn't it. Awful music. Curiously sexless warbling over some over produced, thoroughly hackneyed RnB beat. I heard on CNN the other night the top, I don't know, 10 Billboard singles or something, as I was lying in bed recuperating from yet another eye injury, and it sounded like just ten flavas of the same ghastly record, as stale and self referential (albeit far more expensively produced) as the worst excesses of IDM. 10 pocket attitudes, soundtracks or little soap operas to pop on when the approximate experience occurs in your nightmarish existance. Boyfriend trouble, pop on Lisa Nutts feat. Mini Baby Bell "I've got Boyfriend trouble". Bank refused you a loan, no problem, Tone Muff vs Horny Jinx provide "The bank's refused me a loan (money no nuthin but trouble)". I remember, slap bang in the 80s, a sketch on The Tube with Hugh Laurie and Jools Holland, going round trying to find what was quintessentially 80s, and at the end they suggested that yes, perhaps they were too close to see what would turn out to be the defining fashions, music etc. Now, if you could watch it, you'd be shouting "There, behind you, the fucking deeley boppers, they're 80s." I remember at the begining of the 90s thinking thank god the 80s were over, but I still liked lots of things from the 80s, but I guess, not the things that were at that time thought of as 80s. The 80s now means all rad stuff like Electro, experimental pop music, iconistic fashion statements. Early Human League and Ultravox. Back in the 90s, the 80s meant shit pop music and rubbish clothes, late peroid Human League and Simple Minds. So, I guess, what the 00s in the 00s means will be different to what the 00s mean in the 10s and the 20s and so on. I bet you wish you'd never asked now. |
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Yeah, I'm just old enough to remember that everybody in the early to mid nineties though the eighties were shit. But it was cool to like all the bands that influenced Nirvana like The Pixies, Sonic Youth, Minor Threat, etc, or the stuff that influenced Oasis like The Smiths, Stone Roses, etc, or things that influenced contemporary dance music like acid house or the production on Public Enemy and Ultramagnetic MC's eighties stuff. Things that were sort of against the grain at that time, but made sense later on in the nineties. No one really disses the nineties now though. I always thought ten years ago was meant to be really uncool. |
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brilliant assessment of RnB in today's pop music scene. I wish I had that paragraph engraved on a plaque. Your description of that sketch is also enlightening, as I had no idea of Hugh Laurie's background before he got House MD. Still, on topic, that's an excellent illustration of our inability to see what's right in front of us.. and why my speculations may be the last thing we'll think of when 2016 rolls around. The 80s now means all rad stuff like Electro, experimental pop music, iconistic fashion statements This brings up another interesting phenomenon.. the way that time tends to gloss over the flaws of a time period and make it seem like a glowing, innocent, nostalgic wonderland. I've had much the same experience about high school.. It seemed horrible while it was in progress.. yet now I think of it as the good ol' days. |
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vanity |
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and obsession with sex |
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and Monoid |
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musically i have no idea |
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i feel you like a music video |
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like me you make no sense like a music video : ) |
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Let's keep this one going. It's sort of interesting. |
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I think oldies like Dog_Belch (hee hee) are in the perfect position to say what the 'noughties' will be remembered for but it will be all the things they hate. Like Dads in the eighties would say 'Electro? Breakdancing? Leg warmers and asymetrical haircuts? What a load of rubbish!' The thing is though, by the time it's 2016 those 'idiots' that grew up in this decade will be the editors and decision makers of whatever media we'll be viewing. So I'm looking forward to been told by people like editor in chief Cygnus with the attention span of a wasp how phat beats and distressed Mecha rhythms is real music or something like that. |
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The eighties were shit. When you were in your early teens or younger and all they played was Whitney Houston, Bon Jovi, and Hewy Lewis. Electr and all that cool underground music was not in my face back then. It was vapid top 20 music. |
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I miss the films from the 80's though. |
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"The eighties were shit. When you were in your early teens or younger and all they played was Whitney Houston, Bon Jovi, and Hewy Lewis." The 00's were shit. When you were in your early teens or younger and all they played was Pussycat Dolls, Linkin Park, and 50 Cent. I guess these are a little worse. I am amazed people buy/pay for music that is so heavily broadcasted everywhere that if you leave your house, you are bound to be exposed to. |
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What is the stereotypical image of the 90's, though? |
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Ravey Davey Gravy! And that monstrosity of a "yoof" film "Human Traffic" |
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I saw a woman driving a police car yesterday. Whatever next?! |
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I thikn you can liken the 80s, 90s and 00s to a flim franchise, where the 90s constituted The Eighties II, a suprising sequel that managed to improve on the original, like Godfatehr II maybe, and then the Third instalment, was bollocks, much like Godfather III. |
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a dog driving a police car, I think. or maybe a hamster. it would make sense - think about it. |
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Haha! Yes. Why don't you write a blog or something? Simon Reynolds would shit his pants. |
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he did, once, not so long ago. but then he hated that and it all ground to a halt. |
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Zilty's my blog, and you're all my footnotes. |
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even The Black Dog..? |
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Don't bring up The Black Dog and my friviolous, pisspoor existence again. |
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ahh, so that turned out to be a hoax after all? I was wondering about that. |
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no? |
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reality T.V. |
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sorry, misinterpretation on this end.. zero-cool: excellent addition. That one never even occurred to me but it pretty much took over the airwaves. |
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three words. YEEEAAHHH!!!! WHAATTT?!?!! OOKAAAYYYYY!! |
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