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hobbes
from age on 2006-07-10 16:41 [#01935422]
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well said. people are acting so preciously about this whole incident... as if he had to be some sort of superhuman devoid of feelings and emotions.
i love how in the UK the press have been really hard on him, saying it's mainly what he will now be remembered for and it's soooo bad blah bollocks blah woo hah cantona.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-07-10 17:17 [#01935430]
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BEST ! :D
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-10 17:27 [#01935431]
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that's the choice we have now, is it?
either be a "some sort of superhuman devoid of feelings and emotions" or kick the shit out of anyone who says something that might hurt us?
oh as if I even care one shit about football, let alone footballers. I'll get me coat.
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yann_g
from now on 2006-07-10 17:46 [#01935435]
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yes, the use of "but" made the sentence meaningless.
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yann_g
from now on 2006-07-10 17:47 [#01935436]
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makes sense
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hobbes
from age on 2006-07-10 20:58 [#01935487]
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lol
not AT ALL what i meant but you can interpret my words that way if you want to, or if it made you feel all nice inside to think i would mean such a thing...
the myth of the hero is a complex one, basically, that's all (and i'm not calling him the hero here). and yeah football football fine you don't care about it, but you can't neglect the huge deal this sport has become (amongst others).
anyway i don't even care that much, i just find it hilarious how many people are so quick to judge the guy, it's frankly hilarious.
btw it's not the fact he hit someone i want to stress about, but the fact he has flaws and it's fucking normal. it seems like none of you have ever flipped out before.. and you may think he should behave as it's the world cup finals but then don't you reckon it might also must be very difficult to cope with...
the ambiguity is something i like in "heroes" , anti-heroes or what have you .
bah i dunno
i can hear people already "but it's not normal to headbutt someone, it's bad for the kids, he ruined his life etc..."
and here is my final word on this matter : OK
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-07-10 21:06 [#01935489]
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Similarly, when Ron Artest went into the crowd to punch a guy that dumped a beer on him, I was surprised at just how big a villain he was portrayed as. Dumb thing to do, but...
Athletes just doing dumb things, that's all. They're spoiled and not smart, but they're probably pretty OK when you're not dumping beer on them or using racial slurs on them (or whatever the Italian guy did).
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hobbes
from age on 2006-07-10 21:11 [#01935490]
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yeah let's categorize! so athletes are a different species are they? plonker
i guess you're all saints, yet not very understanding ones.
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hobbes
from age on 2006-07-10 21:13 [#01935492]
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oh wait, i misread bits in my haste of fury :)
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-07-10 21:21 [#01935495]
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I didn't mean to single out athletes there. That was my bitterness over not making millions taking over (the ''spoiled'' quip). In fact the reason I was so surprised he was crucified for it was because I was thinking I would have done the same thing if I was in his shoes. Something stupid. I'd be as dumb as they were.
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hobbes
from age on 2006-07-10 21:33 [#01935496]
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maybe had Zidane have been born and raised in Canada he would have made a pretty good hockey player.
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hobbes
from age on 2006-07-10 21:36 [#01935497]
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should have read that again.... *toddles off to bed*
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 03:03 [#01935551]
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please, say to your nice french housemate that we are "dirty fucking italians" but we also are WORLD CHAMPIONS.
"smile, you are NOT on candid camera"
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 03:10 [#01935553]
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"there are quite a few italians that are quite dicks. there
are also some very nice ones, but they can be real assholes
sometime"
italians, germans, slovenians,... i think humans are all the same, so you should change the text above:
"there are quite a few PERSONS that are quite dicks. there are also some very nice ones, but they can be real assholes
sometime"
Klemen Lavric (Slovenia)
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 03:14 [#01935554]
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THE ARE SOME IDIOTS IN ALL COUNTRIES... and these are not just my words... as you can verify here
\/\/.
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tridenti
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 04:33 [#01935590]
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Another nice video
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-07-11 04:46 [#01935595]
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It started out nice but the reference towards France at the end is pure weakness.
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tridenti
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 04:52 [#01935597]
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Yeah, those frames towards the end were a bit cruel for them indeed.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-11 05:26 [#01935621]
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i was talking about football players there. and surely every national team has their pricks. slovenia sure does. zahovic iz the biggest idiot of them all. but the thing with italy is that they spoil football players the most so they get a little unreal and think they can do just about anything. that is one of the reasons why i appreciate delpiero so much. he is surely one of the biggest italian stars and yet he seems like a very down to earth guy. same goes for gattuso. all he cares about seems to be football and i really like that.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 06:06 [#01935662]
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Alessandro DelPiero is also my fav player inside and outside the field, he's a great champion.
I never saw DelPiero give headbutts during his long career and i hope he will never will do it.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-11 06:11 [#01935665]
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people don't often call him a terrorist do they? :)
if zidane wasn't provoked i doubt he would do that you know.
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yann_g
from now on 2006-07-11 07:24 [#01935699]
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and zidane is not the kind to provoke.
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hobbes
from age on 2006-07-11 08:57 [#01935737]
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yeah he even smiled at him after the shirt holding bit just before, and even just then you can see matt saying something and zidane walks off with his face not so smiley anymore... then the guy opens his shit hole yet again... lucky this was on a pitch and that it was zidane i say.
zidane got sent off and might get more disciplinary shit against him... mazeratti got the cup.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 09:07 [#01935739]
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zidane Saint, materazzi devil
i think it was just a football match with bad words and insults from materazzi (troll behaviour) and a bad reaction of zizou (not an good thing). tons of football matches are full of this kind of provocation, fortunately there are not headbutts so often.
the difference is that materazzi is a common defensor, who a bad temper and he's not very intelligent, while zizou is a celebratd champion, who is playing the grandfinal and his last match of career.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-07-11 09:10 [#01935746]
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i never thought i'd say this, but you are about a hundred times more annoying than tridenti at the moment.
i wish you'd take your armchair-jock bullshit and fuck off. take it to worldcup-masturbation.com/mb, you smug moron.
"smile, you are NOT on candid camera" retard.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-11 09:14 [#01935750]
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"who is playing the grandfinal and his last match of career. "
why does that mater? of someone would insult your mother would you first think what match you're playing and how many people are watching and then react?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-07-11 09:19 [#01935753]
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I just don't get why people get so upset if someone insults their mother. Obviously whatever they say, is just said to piss you off. If they call your mother a whore, obviously it's not true. You know this. Why get all bothered? If someone called my mother a whore, I'd just be like, um, whatever. Getting pissed, is doing exactly what the person who said it was trying to achieve.
And getting violent about it is even worse. Does hitting someone make what they said invalid? Its just words. They are as insulting as you let them be.
Given, it could be different if your mother is in the hospital etc... but Im talking in general. Theres also a thread on watmm about this, and people say that insulting someones mother is reason enough to respond. It just seems silly to me. I don't understand.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 09:20 [#01935754]
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clap, clap, clap... standing ovation... a long applause to r40f aka "THE BRAIN"
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-11 09:24 [#01935756]
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maybe your mom didn't breast feed you..makes all the difference.
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tridenti
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 09:25 [#01935757]
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I agree with you.
That used to happen to me a couple of times and I just ingored the person who gave me the insult. I didn't want to react not because I'm a looser but because I was aware of this:
"Does hitting someone make what they said invalid? Its just words. They are as insulting as you let them be."
Anyway we still are not sure on what Materazzi said.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-11 09:27 [#01935760]
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this are grown up people (even with a brain of a child) not some kids though. and zidane isn't just someone not important.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-11 09:28 [#01935761]
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not a nice answer imo :-/
this discussion is surpassing the line... where are the mods? huh... one is here...
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-07-11 09:30 [#01935762]
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your mother is surpassing the line
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-11 09:31 [#01935764]
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haha, jav guys, this isn't going anywhere..
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