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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2006-07-05 05:25 [#01932473]
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In my opinion this world cup has totally ruined the game. the big players (the likes of Ronaldinho and Lampard) have totally failed to perform on the world stage, the English side once again hasn't performed anywhere close to the standard they should be at, and now we're left with the dirty Italians who have brought the concept of diving to a new low, the Portugese who have done likewise, and the French.
then you look at how much Sven Ericsson is being paid a year (£8million plus) just to sit on the toucline watching the matches and sipping some water, it's exasperating. Should he not be making inspirational substitutions and shouting at the players to rally them? Then look at how much Ronaldinho's being paid per game - £80,000+ ...it's such a sorry sight to see.
since the group stage (where granted the African sides did themselves proud) all the matches have been disinteresting and at times so bad I've even had to switch them off. The referees haven't helped either, they've been shocking! And the play-acting from great players such as Henry (vs Spain) and Grosso (vs Australia) is sickening to see.
I'm physically disgusted by it all, and surely can't be the only one who feels this way (?)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-05 05:35 [#01932478]
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haha, football is awesome..and this world cup was awesome..the toughest teams came furthest..nothing wrong with that. italy had a bit of luck against australia, but that's hardly their fault.
not sure where you aim at with how much they're getting paid..take a look at actors..pop stars..popular stuff pays well :)
there's no more place for romantic in football it seems, but i like to see it tough..zidane manages to show how you can play beautiful in this tough game as well..
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2006-07-05 05:41 [#01932483]
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italy had a bit of luck!? Where is the luck in throwing ones self over a defender in an oscar-winning piece of acting despite not even being touched, rolling about on the ground three times for good measure and then winning a totally undeserved penalty kick in the dying seconds of a match against a little side which ahd played so well just to keep it at 0-0?? Of course it's their fault!
What is the point of having a major tournament every four years to show everyone The Beautiful Game if all the big teams are going to resort to cheating in order to win?!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-05 05:46 [#01932487]
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that's hardly their fault..if that was the case ref should send italian player out and not give them a penalty instead. i too would like to see this silly dives erased from football, but as long as they won't allow refs to decide on those situation through reply, stuff like that is going to happen. anyway, australians weren't able to score, so they shouldn't be too bitter about it :)
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2006-07-05 05:48 [#01932488]
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France are going to win.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-05 05:48 [#01932489]
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it would be great, yeah.
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2006-07-05 05:55 [#01932491]
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this is not some fanciful guess. i had a real premonition. mark my words: France will have the glory, again!
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-05 06:35 [#01932494]
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errr... sorry but i'm touching my balls...
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yann_g
from now on 2006-07-05 07:34 [#01932508]
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the day video is used for arbitrating, italy will quit football. they're all fake players. if you look at zidane or ronaldinho, they actually try to keep the ball when they meet an opponent, they don't fall down like autumn leaves, as most italians do (and ronaldo).
but i guess everybody's against italy anyway ^^
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-05 07:38 [#01932510]
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i think italians and portugese are the most affraid for their hair..you don't want to mess with the haircut! :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-05 08:13 [#01932521]
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that's nice, dear.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-05 08:24 [#01932526]
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"but i guess everybody's against italy anyway ^^"
can I know why?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-05 08:26 [#01932528]
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because of the creepy balls thing, I think.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-07-05 08:50 [#01932536]
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the English side once again hasn't performed anywhere close to the standard they should be at
how is this due to the world cup killing football? how has this caused the world cup to kill football? what does it have to do with the world cup killing football?
for such a long post, it seems like you just fucking whine instead of providing rational reasons for your statement in the topic.
and i'd wager money on this all being precipitated by nothing but bitterness
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-05 09:43 [#01932550]
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creepy? have you present a bull? well... imagine the rest
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2006-07-05 09:59 [#01932551]
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The World Cup has killed ALL
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-07-05 11:37 [#01932575]
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I agree with you in a certain way.. I don't like to repeat myself but I'll do it one more time.
It's how modern football is nowadays, most teams even train in diving. If there is someone to blame it's the refereeing as they award it with a free kick.
This way of "smart playing" is something to deal with unless the FIFA allows a 4th official in front of a few monitors to see if it really is a foul.
Yesterday the Mexican who refereed the Italy vs Germany match did an awesome job by letting the match play on most of the time. After 15 minutes both teams realized it had no sense to dive and the result was an entertaining match.
The Portugal vs Holland match was a disaster because the referee totally ruined it by wistling for literally every dive.. and the Portuguese are very talented in diving so they won the match as the ball hardly circulate during the match, something Holland needs to get into the match.
It's "smart" football and certainly not honest/fair football.
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staz
on 2006-07-05 11:38 [#01932577]
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"Delerious"
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Vin3islih
from United Kingdom on 2006-07-05 18:01 [#01932767]
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No, Football has killed the World Cup.
Football should not be associated to the World Cup.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-07-05 18:12 [#01932771]
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it's always been dead here.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-07-05 18:15 [#01932772]
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wow more three amigo stuff. you rock.
ill pump you so full of lead youll be using your dick as a pencil.
whakkat do you meakkkn?
i dont know
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-07-05 18:26 [#01932778]
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HEY DUMMIES ITS CALLED SOCCER LOL
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-05 18:44 [#01932780]
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are you saying you touch up bull bollocks?
I'd rather not imagine the rest, if it's all the same.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-05 18:48 [#01932782]
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football is for gayers.
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OK
on 2006-07-05 21:04 [#01932822]
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football is all about getting pissed (or extremely happy) because of some men kicking a ball around.
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2006-07-05 23:17 [#01932842]
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haha.. that video is great
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DaggerHappy
from Australia on 2006-07-06 00:01 [#01932845]
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reffing has been absolute shit, the incorrect offside calls going to brazil killed me, of the 4 goals i saw while watching them, 3 were obvious offside. it was asif they knew it wasn't going to be called offside, so they just pass it to an offside player and the receiver will wait a little beyond the last defender. fuck, i could go on and on.
diving is shit, kids in australia get beat up for pretending to be hurt in favour of an umpiring decision at school. i won't be watching any more soccer for a while.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-07-06 00:10 [#01932846]
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It was a fun game this evening when the ref just kept the game going. After 15 minutes everyone realised diving/cheating isn't going to help. The referees need a kick. Video replays with each decission would make it as crap as 'American Football' travelling 10 yards with big muppet suits protecting them from the actual game.
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pigster
from melbs on 2006-07-06 01:17 [#01932854]
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'australians weren't able to score, so they shouldn't be too bitter about it :)'
was first time i got into soccer/football. was fun staying up late and such to watch our team go so far. i didnt expect australia to win the world cup or anything, but its so hard to have them lose over an incorrect penalty and not get just abit bitter.
surely the ref can be on his own, but if something was obviously wrong, just have someone talk to him on a little headset intercom saying 'nah that wasnt a penalty!'.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-06 04:12 [#01932875]
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[WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND]
Why all you australians don't say that the red card of materazzi was an error? We played most of 2nd time in 10 men, and you weren't able to score a goal. Ok, you can have doubts about penalty, but you can't have doubts about red car, totally a wrong decision.
I think Australia played a very great world cup, but I think Italy deserving to play the grandfinal next Sunday. I hope you all will support us during that match.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-06 05:10 [#01932910]
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italy wasn't any better than australia in that match. they both had bad luck with ref and thats that. sometimes a little luck is needed.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-06 05:11 [#01932911]
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Football is fucking shite anyway. Bunch of overpaid cunts swanning around doing fuck all for their millions. Get fucked.
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tridenti
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-06 05:11 [#01932912]
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Finally we had a bit of luck... Seeing that previously we hadn't that much.
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xkejjer
from Malta on 2006-07-06 05:53 [#01932940]
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this is all bollocks. everyone is diving these days, everyone is overpaid these days, the italy vs germany game was perhaps the only world cup classic we have had this world cup so far. cannavaro has been probably the best player of the world cup, pirlo is an extremely elegant player.
EVERYONE is diving nowadays, it is bloody time that you english reached a fucking final or at last a semi final instead of attacking anyone that does. if grosso dived for the penalty, so did a million other players this world cup, and in the same match, materazzi was sent off for kicking a PLAYER FROM HIS OWN SIDE, ZAMBROTTA. how fair is that? in the first half, italy could have been easily scored 4 goals, but at the start of the second half, the referee incorrectly sent off materazzi. how is that for a bad decision?
and i repeat, england, fucking win something or at least reach some semi final before going back (again and again) to the lazy fucking moaning and whining about football being ugly, and not realizing that english football sucks hairy balls.
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pigster
from melbs on 2006-07-06 06:04 [#01932942]
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'Why all you australians don't say that the red card of materazzi was an error?'
cos italy won in the end. the reffereeing error that australia got costed us our game. now we've lost our big guus. i dont know what the future holds, but i say that couldve been australias one chance at it for a long time. oh well.
when i say the refereeing should be fixed up for football, im not just saying it so australia can win. but for everyone. so of course i know why italy are going on about an unfair red card. that said, i feel alot of australians have stopped caring about the world cup now and wont be cheering italy on :D
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-07-06 06:06 [#01932943]
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*applause*
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xkejjer
from Malta on 2006-07-06 06:11 [#01932945]
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of course they wont be cheering italy, but if you see the action well. and not passively, and notice carefully th eposition of the referee upon the penalty action, you can note that it was impossible for him not to give the penalty. from where he was it was a very very very clear penalty. before you go on, watch the replay again and note the position of the ref. bear in mind that the referee doesnt have 30 cameras accompanying his decisions like we have in front of the telly.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-06 06:21 [#01932947]
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the thing is out of 10 refs 2 would maybe call that penalty..it wasn't a ref fault, it's just that most ref wouldn't call it a penalty if they were in that position.
but yeah, australians didn't deserve to continue nothing more that italy. italy always struggles but comes far..that takes effort too.
as for english..im not that fond of them but they had a better chance if rooney wasn't sent off..at this level every detail matters. and as you can see rooney wasn't sent of because of faul but because he said something to ronaldo who was really shit in that situation.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-07-06 06:22 [#01932948]
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they should use cyborg referees...
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xkejjer
from Malta on 2006-07-06 06:24 [#01932949]
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listen, did you see the replay or not? from the position the ref was in, 9 out of 10 would have called that a penalty, because the ref didnt see it like you or me saw it, he saw it from one particular position, not 20 camera angles.
also, italy in this world cup just really struggled against the USA and in the second half of the australia game, when they were with one man less, that's all. it was a cakewalk against ukraine, and the germans didnt worry buffon much, but it was a very balanced game with the italians totally destroying germany in the 30 minutes of extra time though.
the best 4 teams of this world cup were (no order) italy, germany, france and argentina.
and rooney was sent off because of his silly retaliation. even if it wasnt exactly a headbutt, it is still a retaliation. a great player he might be, but he's a great player with the mind of a fucking baboon.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-06 06:43 [#01932957]
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Well when football stops being about the money and about the game then it'll improve. Until then... you're fucked ya cuntS!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-06 06:45 [#01932958]
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how can you tell with such certancy what ref saw?..
imo best team is obviously france who is obviously the only team that could have sent home brazil.
i find it hard to belive rooney knew who's balls he kicked there..it was more of momenta thing..if someone else was in carvalhos position he'd get a kick in the nuts imo. that was a faul for which should he be sent off, but if ronaldo wasn't such a prick rooney would stay on and it would have been a more even match. ronaldo sure didn't get any new fans with that move.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-07-06 11:51 [#01933126]
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the grammys have killed music.
the nobel prize has killed humanitarianism.
deleriousweasel has killed stupidity.
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avart
from nomo' on 2006-07-06 13:25 [#01933167]
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"The World Cup has killed Football." <- to good to be true, unfortunately.
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xkejjer
from Malta on 2006-07-06 16:32 [#01933253]
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of course one can tell what the ref saw, it isnt rocket science. one just has to see the ref's position in relation to the 'foul' at that precise moment. it is a quite easy thing to do.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-07-06 16:33 [#01933256]
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i applaud you then.
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QRDL
from Poland on 2006-07-06 16:59 [#01933272]
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Actually, it's rather a way to determine what he could see.
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axion
from planet rock (Sweden) on 2006-07-06 17:02 [#01933274]
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xkejjer smells like poopoo btw
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2006-07-06 17:07 [#01933275]
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i wrote this big long rant, but i shelved it, cos there's no point.
there are always a few questionable calls along the way, but i really think stuff like that is part and parcel of what makes the world cup so wikkid: everything happens so quickly and everything has significance and nothing ever goes according to plan. teams who are equipped to seize their opportunities can and almost always will find some way to scratch their way to the top.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-07-06 17:11 [#01933276]
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xkejjer smells like poopoo
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