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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-07-04 06:21 [#01931972]
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what causes latency for a computer music maker, i.e. when you press the keys on your midi keyboard, it takes a long time for the soft synth to respond. is it the sound card? processor? keyboard? midi to usb converter? all? if you have a problem with this, what can be done?
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-07-04 06:23 [#01931974]
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the solution:
buy a super computer
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-07-04 06:24 [#01931975]
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right...
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-04 06:27 [#01931977]
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isnt it energy applied, over mass times temperature rise?
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-07-04 06:28 [#01931978]
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buy a new PSU (500W+) and a new heatsink and fan for your CPU
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-07-04 06:28 [#01931979]
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no youre thinking of gibbs free energy change
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staz
on 2006-07-04 06:32 [#01931980]
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i think it's MY DICK
no seriously it's bandwidth
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-04 06:55 [#01931982]
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the MIDI cables are too long. remember that electricity only travels at 20 mph. you must shorten them
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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-07-04 06:56 [#01931983]
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maybe get a soundcard that has a midi port so it doesn't have to go through a usb controller. ??
just an idea, i wouldn't know.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-07-04 07:10 [#01931986]
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any helpful answers would be great, im looking at you staz, you know your arse from your elbow
b123- i thought that but id like to know before and purchasing is done
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lucifer
on 2006-07-04 07:37 [#01931991]
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RTFW = Read the fucking wiki on asio -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_stream_input_output
might give you a hint why professional musicians invest money in expensive soundcards with asio drivers instead of bullshit windows drivers.
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lucifer
on 2006-07-04 07:38 [#01931992]
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btw just to brag, I have a latency of 2 ms on my comp :)
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-07-04 07:46 [#01931994]
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Well I dont really know what "causes" it but to solve it you simply need an asio driver wich comes with all "real" soundcards.
Then the more CPU you have the lower latency you can enable but you should be able to come down to a decent latency even without a super computer. here is a free asio driver called asio4all wich is OK and should work if you dont have access to an different asiodriver, try it.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-07-04 07:47 [#01931996]
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well fuck you
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mcbpete
from Devon (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-04 07:52 [#01931997]
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yep, as _awt_ suggested, download asio4all. I reduced my latency of my Extigy (which doesn't even support ASIO but asio4all doesnt care about that !!) from about 100ms down to about 6ms without any drop outs at all. Just install the program and select which sound card(s) you want to use it with. Then in any audio program you use just select ASIO as the output. INSTANT LATENCY LOSS !
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lucifer
on 2006-07-04 07:53 [#01931999]
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thanks, I've won :)
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-07-04 08:05 [#01932002]
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well if we're bragging and being nerd cunts, then my latency is really little and i havent had to do anything it just happened that way. but a friend of mine has many sleepless nights over his. i will direct him to asio4all, thanks to awt and mcbpete, i send you both a pumpkin tartlette next halloween
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xceque
on 2006-07-04 08:26 [#01932011]
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Imagine an army-style assault course with climbing ropes, pulleys and those walls with nobbles on, and two men racing each other across it.
One man has to traverse all the obstacles on the assult course (for there is a cache of scintillating jewels which lies at the centre - enough wealth to make grown men weep and Christian-ladies drop their knickers) whereas the other man can just run along the ground next to it without a single obstacle in his way and brute force will see him have his fun with women.
Yet both men *must* reach the finishing post at the same time or it will be bad and money will be lost and people will laugh at the assault course designers and the ladies kecks will stay firmly around their hips.
Each of the obstacles takes a little bit of time for the first man to get past, and all the while the second man is getting further and further ahead, waving a smug little wave and smiling a smug little smile.
How good would it be if all the ropes were greased, the ladders had catapults and the walls with nobbles on where only 1ft high? Why, the second man would be there like a shot, collect the jewels and still melt the ladies' frosted charms.
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staz
on 2006-07-04 08:26 [#01932012]
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do i now?
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-07-04 09:34 [#01932041]
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im pretty sure you do, cause the bike ride home in the morning normally hurts more than the bike ride to get to your apartment
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-04 10:46 [#01932081]
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It's pure CPU speed. In a music prog, a lot is going on, that's what causes latency. With a better CPU, there will be less latency.
Wires might also make a difference too come to think of it :p
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-07-04 10:54 [#01932085]
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get a good soundcard. im running my 2001 p4 at 5 ms no problems with my 410.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-07-04 11:06 [#01932088]
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a lot of nonsense answers in this thread yar yar yar
get it?
THREAD
LOL
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2006-07-04 12:35 [#01932124]
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actually there are two latency's
the first one is midi latency. the second is sound latency.
the first is cause by too long midi cables, bad potentiometers, or just a midi controller made on to slow microprocessors. it can also depend on the amount of midi channels used by one interface. but this latency should not get above 2 ms or so.
the second type is sound latency. when midi is triggered, the sound should appear. when you have a simple setup the sound will appear at once because the processor has to work just on one sound. if your setup gets bigger the processor and soundcard have to create more sounds at once which causes them to choke. you can delete this chocking by highering up the latency which is nothing more like a delay so that the processor can do his job and not sweat himself to death
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osiris
from Canterbury on 2006-07-04 17:29 [#01932303]
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its a conspiracy to revive the soundcard market.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-07-04 17:56 [#01932313]
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so yeah this isnt very conclusive. hopefully the asio thing will help, otherwise maybe ill try my midi controller on his computer and see if that makes any difference. then ill tell him to get a new computer and soundcard.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2006-07-04 18:58 [#01932329]
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AISO AISO AISO AISO AISO
Get AISO drivers.
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staz
on 2006-07-04 19:03 [#01932330]
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ASIO
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-07-04 19:13 [#01932331]
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I think it's pure laziness.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-04 19:23 [#01932334]
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I concur. you just don't want it enough. not really.
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