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I had a mastering session on friday for my first release on Slowfoot records, and I'm not sure if I think the new versions are any better. For the money it costs, it seems a bit naff; some tracks are marginally better, and other's have been fiddled about with to the point of sounding overly polished and treble-heavy, where I wanted a warmer, softer and more dirty sound. I was actually present for the session, but the guy did stuff so quickly that it was hard to notice whether the tracks were chaning for better or for worse. It's also hard to judge the material when you're hearing it being fiddled with on new monitors. Anybody here had experiences of their stuff being mastered or mixed by someone else? This is the second time now that I've been unhappy with another engineer's meddlings. |
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*changing |
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I lot of stuff is mastered too loud nowadays, be wary of that. |
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But isn't it about making them suitable for vinyl or cd or whatever, as opposed to making them sound "better"? |
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You are right; perhaps these versions will be more suited for commercial release on CD and won't cause problems if they're ever released on vinyl too. It's also probable that they will sound better on worse stereo systems as they're a lot brighter and louder than the originals. However, it still always feels like something is being lost in the process... |
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maybe it's because your used to the old sound |
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You'll have to keep playing live so the fans can hear it how it was meant to be heard. Dirty. |
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both, I believe. "The easiest way to describe the mastering process is taking a collection of songs and making a record out of it. Mastering is the use of post-production processes including editing, sweetening, EQ matching, level matching, limiting, song sequencing and dozens other tools to create the finished album. Mastering engineers can optimize the material for different formats too! Subtle changes in EQ and compression can make a master more suitable for pressed on CD, vinyl or cassette. Often when starting a mastering job, the source material may be uneven in level from song to song. One song might have too much low end while another may have to much high end and yet another song might need to have the end faded. While you might believe these are jobs for the mixing engineer in the studio, just remember that while you're mixing a record that may include a dozen or more songs, it is very hard to remember how the low mids on the first song sounded while you're mixing song number fourteen. Also, editing technique such as fade-in's and fade-outs are much easier to execute perfectly in the mastering stage as oppose to doing so at the mixing console. It's best to think of mastering as the postproduction step of recording, because that is exactly what it is. All of the above mentioned processes take place after the final mix down is completed, so real adjustments individual instruments are not really available." from through . |
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L3 All t3h way motherfuckerzzzzz. who needs the eqing bullshit just make sure its all hittint 0db ALL the time EVEN AT THE BEGGINIGN WITH NO NOISE RHAAAA |
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i wasn't too impressed with the mastering job done on my track for watmm v1.. |
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how much does it cost for some proper guy to professionally master a track? im considering it for a few of mine |
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I can't make my own tracks sound good so I can't complain. How about uploading samples here in a blind test. Then we can say which we prefer. |
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ooh good idea fun! fun! fun. |
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It`s worth it if you get someone who knows what they are doing. Chances are if you could afford the guy mastering your album, he ain`t top notch. You should have just got a close friend, who`s ear you trust, to master it for you. Just because someone has MONITORS, a DAW, and a pile of EQ magazines, doesn`t mean he`s Bob Clearmountain. And that tends to be the case with the LOCAL GUY who masters ... Over all, it should bring out the best of your music, so shitty CD players and Car Stereos can project your music the right way. My first Vinly was mastered great, the way we wanted it to sound and it was mostly in house. I spent countless hours remixing the masters, in the end it all payed off. But it was pretty decent sound to begin with. When I have played in/recorded/produced bands, mastering really makes the difference. For live band type stuff, yeah mastering really helps a lot. For electronic music ... meh ... It doesn`t really change the music as much. I would love to get a copy of this when it is released, whats the URL? |
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It wasn't actually me who paid, but the label. We had another session today, and the masters sound better, though I'm still attatched to the originals (which may not actually indicate they are any better.) The label's adress can be found here; 1000 copies are being released...Their website is yet to be updated, but it should be up there soon as the CDs are out in October. |
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masteirng is a tricky business..... I've had the fortunate experience of putting out something un mastered and it sounded like shit..... now i don't even question it. if I want to release something... i pay the tax and get it mastered. although if i'm just messing around I say use the L3 or for me the powercore M3 or M5. |
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i can master for you Ezk check out the info on it @ |
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I've had tracks mastered by professionals with variable results ranging from mediocre to good. Remember when they master your track for vinyl they have to get the bass right, which is something I personally don't spend much time at. Online mastering seems to be the trend now with lots of labels, it's cheaper and results can be just as good. |
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What do you mean by "get the bass right" for vinyl ? im just being curious, I have no knowledge about vinyl what so ever. |
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It's all exasperating at times.. having something mixed nicely during composition and then hearing it on your car stereo and realizing it sounds like absolute crap. I've only had one of my tracks mastered, for a friend's online label compilation, and I couldn't tell a whole lot of difference.. Nevertheless, there were some subtle positive changes, not to mention the peace of mind of knowing it would probably translate better to a wider array of stereo systems. Placebo effect? Perhaps a little, but if I were to release something commercially, I'd invest in it for sure. |
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"What do you mean by "get the bass right" for vinyl ? im just being curious, I have no knowledge about vinyl what so ever." You don`t want the needle to jump ;) Check out my record , countless hours were spent with the mixing. Vinyl mastering is fucking tough. We did a very excellent job, you really gotta hear how loud this sounds on your record player, mp3`s just won`t cut it! |
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i had a friend master a handfull of my tracks and mostly they sounded better when he was done with them. he has audio engineering degrees and a much better monitoring set up than me. I would definitely give him more stuff to master. I think it worked out because i trust his ear and his training. and he was open to my input on the finished product. |
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most important are these i guess..... * you shouldn't have freqs below 300hz panned hard left or right or out of phase * you should filter out everything below 20hz as it would screw up the record (cd can have these frequencies even though your stereo can't play them and your ears won't hear them) and when some people say that vinyl has greateter dynamic or frequency range, its just not true at all! |
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can someone post a short wav/aiff file and we can all have a go at mastering it - see whose polish is shiniest or something like that? would be interesting to talk techniques etc.... |
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don't post an mp3 - they have already been shot |
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If you're making a vinyl record.... I would suggest sending it to for mastering and cutting the Laquers... NO matter what you think you can do to make it sound right.. these guys will make it sound right on vinyl. I've had 2 records () put to them for mastering and both came back sounding AMAZING! I have yet to hear anyone master a record better then this guy! |
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"Ultravisitor" has poor mastering, I'd say. Or perhaps it is supposed to sound all live and murky in places, and I've missed the point. |
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mastered there you go sheffieldbleep.... more snap and pump? |
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"and when some people say that vinyl has greateter dynamic or frequency range, its just not true at all!" you'd best tell that to Richard... |
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hats off to you mate, that sounds spot on! |
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