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i've never owned or used one, but as far as sequencing goes how detailed can you get w/ one? as detailed as you want, or are there limitations? which is better, programming a piece of hardware with a computer or with an mpc? |
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I dunno, it just has a certain sound to it, which you would have to mess around with software on a PC to get. There's nothing it can technically do that pretty basic wares like floops can't. |
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it seems awesome cause you've got a sampler that has 2 midi outs. soudn card in the 1000 is good, too. no need for a computer there really, and thats whats enticing.. |
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people use mpc's for the rhythmic "swing" + live playing with the pads + making grooves & sequences without a computer... I guess they also crash a lot less than a windows pc. They are a dedicated tool for musicmaking and I guess that is the real advantage - it's hard to waste time on the net with an mpc. You can't program stuff on a mpc as detailed as you can with a computer, but how "detailed" does your stuff need to be? computers offers battery power and a lot of more easy editing of samples. soundwise, there really are differences in sound between hardware samplers and computers sound hardware my akai s2000 - same hardware as mpc 2000 - sounds a lot different than any of my macs. Not better, but different. |
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an mpc-60 would be nice, it's 12-bit! (bitcrusher plug ins on a computer can't come any way near that sound) |
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Ummm. Yeah, you can. Its extremely intuitive. A lot more so than most music software. It just takes you a little while to get used to. You can work so fast on an mpc that a mouse seems like a waste of time. You can automate your effect sends, and the note repeat button combined with a slider for either pitch or amplitude can get you some great sound design. I prefer the mpc sound to computers. You can get some great bass hits that seem to end up muddled with most music software. Plus, you don't have all the added hastles with recording in on a computer when you are sampling with it. Editing of short files is so fast. Long files should be done on a computer, at least to get them into managable sizes. |
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is the sequencer in the mpc responsible for the swing or is it the user that's responsible for that? haha but yeah i just need an alternative to the laptop man, and this thing fucks up so much. |
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can't you drop midi files straight into the mpc? |
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(so that you kinda can still do some machine-gunning/rapid notes ) |
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Ummm. well, its hard to explain. Loading and moving around files is kind of like working with an older computer. You can load midi files straight off the mpc. If you end up getting one, I would suggest not doing your file moving through the USB port. Just get a CF card reader for your computer. I am not going to say its the solution for everybody, but I found it more than inspiring for what I was doing musically, where I was getting so bored with software that I would open up cubase or reason or fruity for five minutes and then turn it off. |
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I'm all hardware and I have to say.... it's alot different then doing it all on the computer.. but you can import sounds, and sequences into the MPC.. so if you build it half on the computer and then move over to the MPC it;s not bad at all. I like the turn it on and go simplicity.. The MPC is great for setting up sequences and also patterns and jamming with them. (which is how I make my tunes) So you can setup a sequence with a bunch of patterns in it.. and then mute and un mute them as you go along.... plug in a midi controler and you're all good... might as well be on the computer.. .but without the computer overhead or distractions.. I say go for it.... just use the computer for finishing up the track.. but do the majority of your work on the gear and then record it or stripe it into the computer...... ce la vie! good times all around. BTW: if you're looking for the best hardware sequencer out there.. I would suggest getting your hands on a QY700 and using a sampler or an RS7000 and expand the memory on it. I have both an MPC and an QY. While I love my MPC and love working with it... the QY700 has the best hardware sequencer I've ever used. Very versatile. Way closer to using Cubase then any other hardware sequencer I've ever used. |
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let's say ive got the mpc hooked up to the nord or another synth, it can actually be sending notes right? and have it respond to variations in, you know, adsr, and any other things the nord might recognize like lfo rate change or etc. |
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Yeah. Just have your nord set to on of the the midi in and out chanels. Thats how I have my nord. Its on chanel A1-A4. |
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I am going to be getting a Virus C soon. That will be my master controller and second main synthesizer. |
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those yamaha's look really nice |
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the yamaha is a VERY CHEAP alternative to the MPC.... and thas how I have my setup. I have it like this. 909 --send midi clock--> MPC (midi in) MPC --send midi out--> Nord Modular Nord M --send midi in--> MPC (midi in) So the 909 and it's wacky timing is the driver of everything. And I use the Nord as a sound engine (a1-a4) and also use it to send note information into the MPC for playing sounds in the MPC instead of using just the pads. |
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I'm gonna buy me an MPC asap. I have some serious GAS issues :p |
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what:!:!?? |
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Hehe, Gear Acquisition Syndrome :p |
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Can you do Ableton sorts of things on an mpc, like have a 4 beat, 8 beat and 16 beat pattern all playing at the same time in a scene, so the 4 beat pattern plays 4 times as the 16 beat pattern plays, and so on, or do you have to arrange that beforehand like in a normal boring hateful sequencer? And can patterns have arbitrary lengths from 1 beat to something silly like 17 beats? Also, can you change the loop points of samples as they're playing for that jelinek-ish approach? |
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didja ever get that tr909? or was it another piece you were tryin to snag off of ebay? |
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ableton clips can be any length you want, and you can have as many playing simultaneously in a 'scene' as you want. and yeah you can mess indefinitely w/ loop points, trigger points, etc. same with envelopes |
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i read your post incorrecty! im sorry. i dont know if you can do that on an mp3, taxi-sensei or verg can prolly tell you tho |
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MPC* damnit!!!! |
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No, he tried to scam me :( |
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:feels confused and worried: |
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can someone either a: record a video of themselves doing some fun with an mpc including playing pitch of a sample using an external midi keyboard or b: in a case where no video is available, audio would be nice too |
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I'm going to invest in an mpc when i get to Japan (and I've saved up) all i want is an mpc and a nord! would be such a sweets et up withs oem outboard effects! |
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Can you do Ableton sorts of things on an mpc, like have a 4 beat, 8 beat and 16 beat pattern all playing at the same time in a scene, so the 4 beat pattern plays 4 times as the 16 beat pattern plays, and so on, or do you have to arrange that beforehand like in a normal boring hateful sequencer? And can patterns have arbitrary lengths from 1 beat to something silly like 17 beats? Not really. You can't play more than one sequence at a time, but in the song mode you can sequence the order the sequences go in, so one sequence can be three bars, looped four times, then the final sequence can be five bars, then the next sequence can be one bar looped, so on and so forth. Its not as easy right off the bat as software. You get hardware for the sound, the interface, the stability, and how it can help inspire you. You don't get it for convenience. I have heard it said that when you invest in software you are investing in tools, and when you invest in hardware you are investing in instruments. Also, can you change the loop points of samples as they're playing for that jelinek-ish approach? Another not really. You can set the same sample across a variety of pads with envelope triggers set differently for each pad, so if you hit pad one, the envelope decays sooner than pad two for the same sample. You can also set filters to do the same. Not only can you do it for one pad to another, but you can load the same sample four times onto a single pad, have separate settings for each instance, and then just map the different samples to varying velocity settings. |
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If you want that kind of sample manipulation, the roland VP9000 would be more what you are looking for. |
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real-time pitch change by knob.. possible? |
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Yeah. Just assign one of the sliders (or knobs on the 2500) to the pitch of the sample. |
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I am always playing with the volume and filter cutoff of the samples with the sliders. Its good fun. |
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k, cool can one apply timestretch to keep the length of the sample constant while pitching? |
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Thanks for the info - sounds like it has plenty of its own tricks up its sleeves. |
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Im after an electrix repeater. Very immediate stuff. More fun than staring at an lcd screen. |
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Yeah. They just did that with the 2.01 OS upgrade. You can do only pitch, and you can do only length. |
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The electrix repeater is awesome. Now that electrix has been revitalized, they are going to be re-repeasing the repeater, so it should be a bit cheaper soon. You also might want to look into the looperlative. It gives you 8 stereo channels to work with instead of 4 mono channels, but I don't know if you can sequence with it quite as well. But it allows you loop locking and unlocking, timestretching, varying lengths per loop, reverse and all that other stuff on the fly. |
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Perfect machines for people with ADD. Like me. |
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i sequence on a roland mc500 mkII that i like alot. everything is saved onto and loaded from 3.5 floppies, it has two outs and a through, quantizes up to 1/96. 8 channels you can mute and unmute, as well as a seperate track for rhythm programming, step and real time programming and was cheap to buy. i think it's the sequencer i will always use. i have always liked the mpc's as well. i'd probably buy one if i ever find one for a lean price, they seem like a good sample and rhythm themed workstation. |
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