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offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-19 13:55 [#01923312]
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of making some mistakes with my studies and my future. for
2 years now i'm making different things with sound/music and
i'm sure that i will do this forever because i even have
talent for this...

last year i finished mid-school and i had to choose my
studies. i had my papers at a school in another town on
"sound-engineer". but i finally choose "buildings and
bridges" here in my town.

now i'm one year after my decision and i feel horrible. i
hate these studies. concrete, steel, mechanics wtf? i see
that other people like these so it has to be just something
that i dont want.

i came to the conclusion that i HAVE to make some movements.
the problem is just that i don't really have much to choose
from.

that school in the other town does sound engineering but at
a very low level. my school now is high-class giving you
even 100% chance to get a job.

i tried to find something abroad but it seems that uk hates
eu--students and germany is completely empty of those. i
don't know other languages.

i start to panic. this year i try to get to sound
engineering once more. but if i don't ? i will surely die on
this bridges shit here.

on the other hand - sound engineering gives me much less
chances to get a job afterwards...

i'm confused and tired. i just don't want to fuck up my life
really :|


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-06-19 13:59 [#01923315]
Points: 50073 Status: Moderator



do what you enjoy or else you will be for ever sorry.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-19 14:02 [#01923318]
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even if your decision would mean to choose the less
aproproate thing ?


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:03 [#01923320]
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I've already told you this a year ago: go for sound
engineering or else there'a life of pain ahead of you.


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-06-19 14:03 [#01923321]
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I'm doing something that doesn't interest me very much, but
I'm sure to have a job for life and some money. Anyway I
cannot think of a job I would have enjoyed better right now.
Btw I think that studies and your future job will be very
different and you cannot say now if you will like your job
or not.

Btw, you will be able to go on studies later in another
domain if you realize that you really do not like the job.

Plus think that there are a lot of things that are important
in life : woman, children, family, arts, reading, etc... so
you do not need to panic too much. Think also that you will
be lucky to have a job and money, which is not bad.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:07 [#01923323]
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Building engineer's job is much more dull that the studies.
I am the only one in my closest family who doesn't have
higher education in this field, so trust me on this one.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-19 14:07 [#01923324]
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of course but the poznan one is a little sucky :|

and there is no other option left

combo - i would want to finish studies as soon as possible
to be able to get to work as fast as i can


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-06-19 14:14 [#01923330]
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Just work really hard on your job-friendly bridge-building
course, even if you hate it. Then when you've graduated, you
can mess around safe in the knowledge that you have some
sort of future past the big three-oh. It's a nice feeling to
know that when you settle down you've got some sort of a
shot at a well paying job. You don't wanna be some sort of
bum for the rest of your life. What if you meet someone and
decide to have kids? What if you wanna work abroad?
Not very rock 'n' roll, but that stuff's all bullshit
anyway.
You won't "die" on your boring course just get into it as a
matter of routine and you'll be okay, you seem like a pretty
smart guy.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:15 [#01923334]
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Why is there no other option left? Is it too late this year
or are there simply no other univesities with this course


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-19 14:16 [#01923335]
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i cant really advise - everyones situatuon is different -
but make a compromise between what is interesting and what
gets you lots of money. and make sure it is still possible
to see friends, or make new ones, along the way.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-06-19 14:17 [#01923336]
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Goran is right, though - choose something you like, not just
because of a possible job later on, but because of now.

try looking into other countries beside Germany and the UK -
no one expects foreign exchange students to be able to speak
the language of the country, if you can make yourself
understandable in English, you'll be welcome in all European
countries, I'd think.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:20 [#01923343]
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Listen to me, qrter and tolstoyed. We are your friends. Ez
is an evil anti-god evolutionist, swears would sell you for
a donut and Combo has elmo as his avatar.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-19 14:21 [#01923346]
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i think i got off quite lightly there


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-06-19 14:24 [#01923351]
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Why run up a load of debts switching courses?
Just finish one with a financial future, then you can spend
a few years afterwards enjoying your youth, and not end up
at 30 working in a call centre and wishing you'd had some
foresight.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-06-19 14:27 [#01923358]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to swears: #01923351



then your youth is gone and your stuck in a shit job with
little prospect of changing to anything you'd really like to
do, trying to buy off the disappointment with the money you
earn, wishing you'd had some foresight.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-19 14:27 [#01923359]
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there are just no toher uni's there !!

if it would be at a higher quality i may be less stressed
about it.

you know - IF i pass the exams - i'll go. i'm just freakin
shockin afraid i might realise to late to brake them up if
they are shite.

on the other hand i don't want to lose a whole year of
learning.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-06-19 14:28 [#01923361]
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first things first - try to calm down a bit. when you're
feeling panicked and afraid is not the time to make these
kind of decisions.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:30 [#01923363]
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You sir are going strainght to hell.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-19 14:30 [#01923365]
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and the best part about poznan is: i have NO option to
prepare myself for the exams :|

the exams are about musical knowledge. they put you some
music on and you have to say what music this is, who made
it, when and so on.

so this isn't anything that i can read bout in a book


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:32 [#01923369]
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On the first year of your course you mainly learned
mathematics and other general stuff, it won't all go to
waste, no way.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-19 14:32 [#01923370]
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islam says music is a sin (haram). we are all going to hell
anyway!


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-06-19 14:33 [#01923371]
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But being an engineer building bridges isn't a shit job. He
doesn't have to take that job anyway, what I'm saying is
that you have the option of taking the well-paying
profession if you need to do that for whatever reason later
on.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-19 14:34 [#01923373]
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there is not much time left for decisions.

it's just that i guess that when i don't make any moves with
switching courses, maybe going abroad to another country
then i might not have any chance in quite some time.

i mean - when i finish the second grade of buildings i
surely won't end them end will finish the 3rd grade. and
then surely i'll finish the whole 5 years.

and then you know - wife and kids :D


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:35 [#01923375]
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That exam can be fun. Try to remember what you get.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-19 14:36 [#01923379]
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swears isn't that wrong.



 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-06-19 14:36 [#01923380]
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So your 20 now, and you're gonna be about 24 when you finish
the course?

You don't have to have kids straight away!
You can have some fun after uni, my dad was 33 when I was
born.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:40 [#01923383]
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Allah has nothing on Polish, Irish and Italians.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 14:44 [#01923389]
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I say: do everything to be good in what you like. Go for
that weak course. During the first year learn as much as you
can and simultaneously look for something abroad. Poeple
from my uni often go to Denmark and Spain for one year
scholarship. Nobody expects you to know the native language.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-19 14:54 [#01923397]
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my strategy (which hasnt quite worked but it might for you)
look for a job you might be interested in doing after
university, approach that company for an interview etc. if
they want you, they will wither offer you an apprenticeship
or possibly sponsor you through university.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-19 15:06 [#01923402]
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uff not enough booze not enough kebap not enough pussy. too
much mechanics and buildings.

difficult test tomorrow. have to go sleep.

yeah there's the third option - i won't get to poznan, i
won't graduate and i'll go to the army. great


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-06-19 15:09 [#01923404]
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All I'm saying is that, you will want to have the option
between a full time, well paid job and/or messing around in
the future.


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-06-19 15:15 [#01923405]
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I'd listen to swears... ofcourse tol and qrter have a point
to about doing what you like. look at it this way. when you
graduate in bridge building you'll have all the money you
want to make music. you could actually buy the software you
use :)

but in music you have 0 security and very little forsight.
unless you know how the music business works. I wouldn't go
for the low level sound engineering. pure waste of time. you
will be just another sound engineer without a job.

finish the building class and make music to recharge your
batteries. and maybe you can use your actual education for
your music. you could like...make musical buildings or sonic
bridges.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-06-19 15:31 [#01923409]
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I've already told you this a year ago: go for sound
engineering


hey, it was me who told him that !

sadist: don't be afraid of WKU, they change their bureau
staff every 1-2 years. learn the tricks to fuck them about.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 15:45 [#01923412]
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I remember the thread (god, I'm here for a year already), we
were on the same side, we're both losers.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-06-19 15:57 [#01923419]
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it all depends on what you think is important, ofcourse.

do you want to do a semi-interesting job and therefore
perhaps a nice house, some money to spend in your free
time?

or do you want to spend most of your time doing something
you like or even love doing, while not having a lot of
money?

for me it was pretty easy - I started out studying
psychology (this is yeeeaaaars ago, when I was 21, I'm 28
now) and I quite enjoyed it. but then it dawned on me that I
would have to spend a lot of time after I would finish in a
job revolving around psychology. that completely scared the
shit out of me, I couldn't see myself in that position.

life is short, but at the same time a day is quite long. I
wanted to do something with my time that would at least seem
fun and/or worthwhile to me, so I ended up choosing
writing.

actually, job prospects aren't that bad for me - I'm not a
bad writer, at times even pretty damn good (knock on wood),
which helps. :P


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-06-19 16:01 [#01923420]
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I think the misunderstanding here is that I wasn't saying:
"Hey sadist! You HAVE to finish your degree and get the
relevant job straight after!"

I'm saying:
"Do the degree, and then you can do the regular job later if
you want, or something else. I know people who have learnt
sound engineering by themselves and think that the courses
are a con."


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 16:25 [#01923425]
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There's no misunderstanding, you have a good point. What I'm
afraid of is that sadist will end like me. On the 6-th of
July I'm ending my higher education in the field I'm not
interested in. I've done it out of inertia and now I'm to
tired to learn anything else. The last five years drained
everything positive from me. Doing things you hate is
unbareably frustrating and I'm afraid that when sadist gets
back from his job in the future, he'll be a non-musicmaking
wrack.
Well, he shouldn't have asked XLTronic.


 

offline QRDL from Poland on 2006-06-19 16:25 [#01923426]
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What language do you write in?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-06-19 16:35 [#01923432]
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my view on it is this: there are no guarantees in life. Even
people who plan, end up not doing what they planned, and
things go to shit. Finishing the bridge thing, doesn't mean
youll do that line of work at all, and it doesn't mean you
are guaranteed a job doing it either (seriously). I agree
with qrter. do what makes you feel good. I actually really
like that quote qrter, "life is short, but at the same time
a day is quite long." I really like it.

I went to music school, because I knew that I didn't want to
do anything else, and if I did, I would either fail at it,
or just be broken inside. And I've had my realizations about
how I am not in the best situation to make money, but I've
accepted that, for a greater prize... doing something I
love. I just graduated, and I (very luckily) got a good
paying job that is music related, but also has great hours,
and gives me time to work on music. I'm incredibly happy. I
know other people who weren't as lucky, and are struggling,
and I know other people who are even better off then I am.
Sure, I can't keep this job forever, eventually I'll need to
move on, but take life as it comes.

so, take that as you will... I can't make your decision for
you, but I can give you a glimpse of what I did, and how its
going. Just food for thought.

Think about qrters quote though...


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-06-19 16:46 [#01923436]
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My opinion is with swears. I quickly started to hate my
course but I just wouldnt want to give up because it would
be wasting money time effort and any 'fun' course like art
or music technology probably isnt as fun as it looks and I
would regret eventually when I cant make any money from it


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-06-19 16:48 [#01923438]
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its not a waste if you love it.
how can you assume that, if you haven't done it.
I'm making money off it. Lots of people do.


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-06-19 16:48 [#01923439]
Points: 7540 Status: Regular



By the way, fucking up your life or not, you'll die, as
everybody. So there's no need to be too much worried about
that.


 

offline jtalton from Onomichi (Japan) on 2006-06-19 17:06 [#01923457]
Points: 442 Status: Regular



Hate to tell you but i have been a sound engineer for 8
years (well a runner for 2 of them), a job is a job man. I
like what i do most of the time but ever job has its shit. i
love doing sound design but hate listening to creative
directors. Combo is right nothing really is worth worrying
about about esp. a job


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-06-19 17:44 [#01923474]
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ok fair enough... what I posted was more the thought process
I go through rather than solid fact. But I do think the
doing what you love approach only last so long because lots
of people end up in jobs on purpose and find they dont much
like them after a while


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-20 00:25 [#01923583]
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my god i love you guys


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-06-20 00:41 [#01923585]
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think about it.... sonic bridges, that's pure gold right
there.


 

offline zero-cool on 2006-06-20 00:55 [#01923587]
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fuck thats insane


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-06-20 01:25 [#01923591]
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I think younger people care more about doing everything
right and following through with plans. You come out of high
school thinking you know exactly how the world works.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-06-20 02:28 [#01923598]
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i can just imagine how life can be quite a bitch and how
fast it is nowadays.

a year of doing nothing must be like a decade


 

offline Gwely Mernans from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-06-20 02:38 [#01923600]
Points: 9856 Status: Lurker



didnt read the thread except the first post. yeah man,
making big decisions that can change the course of your
life/career produces alot of anxiety. the current problem im
facing is that im doing absolutely nothing. all my friends
are second year uni and i havent even graduated high school.
they have cars, i dont even have a licence, then have
apartments, i still live with my dad, they have
relationships, i have my hand.


 


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