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of making some mistakes with my studies and my future. for 2 years now i'm making different things with sound/music and i'm sure that i will do this forever because i even have talent for this... last year i finished mid-school and i had to choose my studies. i had my papers at a school in another town on "sound-engineer". but i finally choose "buildings and bridges" here in my town. now i'm one year after my decision and i feel horrible. i hate these studies. concrete, steel, mechanics wtf? i see that other people like these so it has to be just something that i dont want. i came to the conclusion that i HAVE to make some movements. the problem is just that i don't really have much to choose from. that school in the other town does sound engineering but at a very low level. my school now is high-class giving you even 100% chance to get a job. i tried to find something abroad but it seems that uk hates eu--students and germany is completely empty of those. i don't know other languages. i start to panic. this year i try to get to sound engineering once more. but if i don't ? i will surely die on this bridges shit here. on the other hand - sound engineering gives me much less chances to get a job afterwards... i'm confused and tired. i just don't want to fuck up my life really :| |
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do what you enjoy or else you will be for ever sorry. |
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even if your decision would mean to choose the less aproproate thing ? |
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I've already told you this a year ago: go for sound engineering or else there'a life of pain ahead of you. |
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I'm doing something that doesn't interest me very much, but I'm sure to have a job for life and some money. Anyway I cannot think of a job I would have enjoyed better right now. Btw I think that studies and your future job will be very different and you cannot say now if you will like your job or not. Btw, you will be able to go on studies later in another domain if you realize that you really do not like the job. Plus think that there are a lot of things that are important in life : woman, children, family, arts, reading, etc... so you do not need to panic too much. Think also that you will be lucky to have a job and money, which is not bad. |
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Building engineer's job is much more dull that the studies. I am the only one in my closest family who doesn't have higher education in this field, so trust me on this one. |
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of course but the poznan one is a little sucky :| and there is no other option left combo - i would want to finish studies as soon as possible to be able to get to work as fast as i can |
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Just work really hard on your job-friendly bridge-building course, even if you hate it. Then when you've graduated, you can mess around safe in the knowledge that you have some sort of future past the big three-oh. It's a nice feeling to know that when you settle down you've got some sort of a shot at a well paying job. You don't wanna be some sort of bum for the rest of your life. What if you meet someone and decide to have kids? What if you wanna work abroad? Not very rock 'n' roll, but that stuff's all bullshit anyway. You won't "die" on your boring course just get into it as a matter of routine and you'll be okay, you seem like a pretty smart guy. |
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Why is there no other option left? Is it too late this year or are there simply no other univesities with this course |
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i cant really advise - everyones situatuon is different - but make a compromise between what is interesting and what gets you lots of money. and make sure it is still possible to see friends, or make new ones, along the way. |
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Goran is right, though - choose something you like, not just because of a possible job later on, but because of now. try looking into other countries beside Germany and the UK - no one expects foreign exchange students to be able to speak the language of the country, if you can make yourself understandable in English, you'll be welcome in all European countries, I'd think. |
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Listen to me, qrter and tolstoyed. We are your friends. Ez is an evil anti-god evolutionist, swears would sell you for a donut and Combo has elmo as his avatar. |
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i think i got off quite lightly there |
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Why run up a load of debts switching courses? Just finish one with a financial future, then you can spend a few years afterwards enjoying your youth, and not end up at 30 working in a call centre and wishing you'd had some foresight. |
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then your youth is gone and your stuck in a shit job with little prospect of changing to anything you'd really like to do, trying to buy off the disappointment with the money you earn, wishing you'd had some foresight. |
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there are just no toher uni's there !! if it would be at a higher quality i may be less stressed about it. you know - IF i pass the exams - i'll go. i'm just freakin shockin afraid i might realise to late to brake them up if they are shite. on the other hand i don't want to lose a whole year of learning. |
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first things first - try to calm down a bit. when you're feeling panicked and afraid is not the time to make these kind of decisions. |
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You sir are going strainght to hell. |
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and the best part about poznan is: i have NO option to prepare myself for the exams :| the exams are about musical knowledge. they put you some music on and you have to say what music this is, who made it, when and so on. so this isn't anything that i can read bout in a book |
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On the first year of your course you mainly learned mathematics and other general stuff, it won't all go to waste, no way. |
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islam says music is a sin (haram). we are all going to hell anyway! |
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But being an engineer building bridges isn't a shit job. He doesn't have to take that job anyway, what I'm saying is that you have the option of taking the well-paying profession if you need to do that for whatever reason later on. |
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there is not much time left for decisions. it's just that i guess that when i don't make any moves with switching courses, maybe going abroad to another country then i might not have any chance in quite some time. i mean - when i finish the second grade of buildings i surely won't end them end will finish the 3rd grade. and then surely i'll finish the whole 5 years. and then you know - wife and kids :D |
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That exam can be fun. Try to remember what you get. |
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swears isn't that wrong. |
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So your 20 now, and you're gonna be about 24 when you finish the course? You don't have to have kids straight away! You can have some fun after uni, my dad was 33 when I was born. |
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Allah has nothing on Polish, Irish and Italians. |
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I say: do everything to be good in what you like. Go for that weak course. During the first year learn as much as you can and simultaneously look for something abroad. Poeple from my uni often go to Denmark and Spain for one year scholarship. Nobody expects you to know the native language. |
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my strategy (which hasnt quite worked but it might for you) look for a job you might be interested in doing after university, approach that company for an interview etc. if they want you, they will wither offer you an apprenticeship or possibly sponsor you through university. |
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uff not enough booze not enough kebap not enough pussy. too much mechanics and buildings. difficult test tomorrow. have to go sleep. yeah there's the third option - i won't get to poznan, i won't graduate and i'll go to the army. great |
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All I'm saying is that, you will want to have the option between a full time, well paid job and/or messing around in the future. |
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I'd listen to swears... ofcourse tol and qrter have a point to about doing what you like. look at it this way. when you graduate in bridge building you'll have all the money you want to make music. you could actually buy the software you use :) but in music you have 0 security and very little forsight. unless you know how the music business works. I wouldn't go for the low level sound engineering. pure waste of time. you will be just another sound engineer without a job. finish the building class and make music to recharge your batteries. and maybe you can use your actual education for your music. you could like...make musical buildings or sonic bridges. |
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I've already told you this a year ago: go for sound engineering hey, it was me who told him that ! sadist: don't be afraid of WKU, they change their bureau staff every 1-2 years. learn the tricks to fuck them about. |
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I remember the thread (god, I'm here for a year already), we were on the same side, we're both losers. |
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it all depends on what you think is important, ofcourse. do you want to do a semi-interesting job and therefore perhaps a nice house, some money to spend in your free time? or do you want to spend most of your time doing something you like or even love doing, while not having a lot of money? for me it was pretty easy - I started out studying psychology (this is yeeeaaaars ago, when I was 21, I'm 28 now) and I quite enjoyed it. but then it dawned on me that I would have to spend a lot of time after I would finish in a job revolving around psychology. that completely scared the shit out of me, I couldn't see myself in that position. life is short, but at the same time a day is quite long. I wanted to do something with my time that would at least seem fun and/or worthwhile to me, so I ended up choosing writing. actually, job prospects aren't that bad for me - I'm not a bad writer, at times even pretty damn good (knock on wood), which helps. :P |
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I think the misunderstanding here is that I wasn't saying: "Hey sadist! You HAVE to finish your degree and get the relevant job straight after!" I'm saying: "Do the degree, and then you can do the regular job later if you want, or something else. I know people who have learnt sound engineering by themselves and think that the courses are a con." |
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There's no misunderstanding, you have a good point. What I'm afraid of is that sadist will end like me. On the 6-th of July I'm ending my higher education in the field I'm not interested in. I've done it out of inertia and now I'm to tired to learn anything else. The last five years drained everything positive from me. Doing things you hate is unbareably frustrating and I'm afraid that when sadist gets back from his job in the future, he'll be a non-musicmaking wrack. Well, he shouldn't have asked XLTronic. |
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What language do you write in? |
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my view on it is this: there are no guarantees in life. Even people who plan, end up not doing what they planned, and things go to shit. Finishing the bridge thing, doesn't mean youll do that line of work at all, and it doesn't mean you are guaranteed a job doing it either (seriously). I agree with qrter. do what makes you feel good. I actually really like that quote qrter, "life is short, but at the same time a day is quite long." I really like it. I went to music school, because I knew that I didn't want to do anything else, and if I did, I would either fail at it, or just be broken inside. And I've had my realizations about how I am not in the best situation to make money, but I've accepted that, for a greater prize... doing something I love. I just graduated, and I (very luckily) got a good paying job that is music related, but also has great hours, and gives me time to work on music. I'm incredibly happy. I know other people who weren't as lucky, and are struggling, and I know other people who are even better off then I am. Sure, I can't keep this job forever, eventually I'll need to move on, but take life as it comes. so, take that as you will... I can't make your decision for you, but I can give you a glimpse of what I did, and how its going. Just food for thought. Think about qrters quote though... |
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My opinion is with swears. I quickly started to hate my course but I just wouldnt want to give up because it would be wasting money time effort and any 'fun' course like art or music technology probably isnt as fun as it looks and I would regret eventually when I cant make any money from it |
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its not a waste if you love it. how can you assume that, if you haven't done it. I'm making money off it. Lots of people do. |
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By the way, fucking up your life or not, you'll die, as everybody. So there's no need to be too much worried about that. |
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Hate to tell you but i have been a sound engineer for 8 years (well a runner for 2 of them), a job is a job man. I like what i do most of the time but ever job has its shit. i love doing sound design but hate listening to creative directors. Combo is right nothing really is worth worrying about about esp. a job |
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ok fair enough... what I posted was more the thought process I go through rather than solid fact. But I do think the doing what you love approach only last so long because lots of people end up in jobs on purpose and find they dont much like them after a while |
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my god i love you guys |
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think about it.... sonic bridges, that's pure gold right there. |
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fuck thats insane |
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I think younger people care more about doing everything right and following through with plans. You come out of high school thinking you know exactly how the world works. |
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i can just imagine how life can be quite a bitch and how fast it is nowadays. a year of doing nothing must be like a decade |
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didnt read the thread except the first post. yeah man, making big decisions that can change the course of your life/career produces alot of anxiety. the current problem im facing is that im doing absolutely nothing. all my friends are second year uni and i havent even graduated high school. they have cars, i dont even have a licence, then have apartments, i still live with my dad, they have relationships, i have my hand. |
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