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does it matter for you on a live gig HOW the act is playing? if he's using analog stuff, laptops, other gear? personally - i have always been and probably always will be a laptop artist. but besides many other similar laptop-users i always try to do something new to make my livesets more "live". so i started to use for example my midi keyboard to make melodies on the fly or to trigger some beats. or my last set - sounded quite "akufen'ish" because i played some minimal-click-techno and sampled small bits of old vinyls on the fly. that was quite a cool idea but as i didn't have any preview of the vinyls nor control over what track or sample i actually sampled, the effect reached from genious to complete shit. later i realised - what the fuck? i mean i try to make my livesets more interesting from gig to gig but actually the crowd wasn't really interested in what i do. in fact - they were more pissed when i played a melody wrong or sampled something false. that made me think. i mean can laptop gigs be considered as live gigs? or does the gear/way of playing affect you when going to a gig? |
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if i ever played live, it would mainly be a laptop job. maybe with one or two seperate instruments, probably just a sampler and drum machine. because most of my shit is based on samples, i couldnt really do it with synths. |
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get some dancers on stage |
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from my experience, watching someone play a laptop is incredibly boring. but if they're making great music, it doesn't matter. Lethal Firetrap was half laptop when i saw them and their music was sublime. i just sat there and closed my eyes... it was fantastic. on the other hand, if you're doing a live noise set (i won't name any names), you've got to do better than a laptop running FL at top bpm with lots of distortion. so, just worry about making good music is my opinion... not what you play it on. |
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i'm impressed everytime i see a movie of tim exile - who imho created a completely new style of live playing on laptops. other artists that have great ideas for playing live: kid beyond (can we actually call him a laptop artist ? or daedelus with his new monome gear |
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People who dress up in Rhubears and dance on-stage are the top of the list. |
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tim exile is the steve vai of crappy laptop idm. and no, that is in no way a compliment. |
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my cd turntables finally took a real shit after 5 years i bought a laptop still getting the hang of it i dj my tracks in traktor and i trigger sounds with keys in ableton and i process live vocals with buzz except in a live setting i can't get it to quit feeding back... but yeah people just want music |
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haha, so true |
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his release is in fat complete shit - but his live sets rawk |
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if I ever were to play live, I'd get as many people as I could together and bring then with me on stage and have them play stuff they could play and bang on shit when there was other shit. I'd play as much as I could of the melodies on synth and probably have a computer running stuff like microbeats and other things that can't be played live.. I'd probably even spend time arranging the music for live musicians too.. like with basslines where it isn't important to me if it's a synth sound, I'd just arrange it for a real bass and have a friend play it... I've been playing around with the idea that a male choir and me on some electronics would be quite funny... I'd have to arrange stuff in a barbershopesque way and then I'd sing along and play stuff on synth... |
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Tim Exile is good live... What do you mean by the Steve Vai thing? Anyway generally I find laptop live sets can be a bit boring and Id prefer people to DJ, but I suspect a lot of people dont put enough preparation into their live sets to allow them to manipulate them properly |
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it comes down to this: id rather watch someone standing in front of their laptops not doing much but the beats are great than someone jumping all over the place pressing buttons and the beats are shit |
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my cousin has a good one.. he doesn't use laptop, but rather a cassette deck and then he comes in and presses play and sings and plays a few instruments.. he doesn't even care to pretend he's doing anything with a computer besides just press play, so he figured he could just as well use an ipod, but he also thought an ipod wouldn't come across as good with the audience as a cassette deck. he always plays an instrument per song in addition, though. |
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Its an interesting subject i think. I gave it some thought myself. I want to be able to play live more. I did one live set some time ago, but that was only a laptop and a vocoder, wich was ok. But i genereally think, the more stuff you got going, the better. I do fairly energetic pop music, so vocals and presence and stuff like that is important i think. Drunken mastah, sign me up for that barbershop quartet!!! I love that idea! |
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i think the best bet for any laptop artist is to get a decent midi controller. make sure your set is set up and prepared. learn how to play the keyboard. make sure you have a reasonable understanding of music theory, or a good ear for music. if you're attempting to create beats/samples on the fly, then make sure you can preview it first. Dj's dont just hit the crossfader when they mix now, do they? or at least if you're going to mime put on a good light show or something, like jean michael jarre, just to keep people interested. |
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i do a competition every month called laptop deathmatch, href="http://www.laptopdeathmatch.com">
one of the categories you get judged on is stage performance (since audiences get bored just looking hunched down in front of his laptop), it makes for a more fun show, and you see some guys do some pretty interesting stuff. andrew foster who's a guy who does it every month once remixed katamari damacy tracks, and dressed up like the king of all cosmos, it was funky i think that it should be all about the music. but, in the case of an actual music competition (where you only gor for 3 minutes at a time), it's very important that theres something to look at, or else youll get bored. the sets are way too short. AE are a good example. they used just 2 pieces of machinery and didn't really move or anything, just nodded heads. but the music was devastating. the 2001 tour, they had laptops and didn't move anywhere, but the music was devastating. and going out on a laptop really isnt all that, i dunno, BAD. yeah you look like a moron using your trackpad mouse to adjust parameters, and going all wacky, but it's better than just standing there and looking at your shit (in the case of a really short set.) in longer set like what sadist was talking about... for the sets i do in laptop deathmatch i usually go into conniption fits, headbanging and etc. and it's not just for stage performance, it's cause my music sounds more charged to me on a powerful system than on my studio monitors. its more energetic and you see that when i am freaking out onstage acting like an epileptic child. |
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oops that link didnt work at all, and 1 more pic |
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that's a fantastic idea! i would love to organise something like this in a bigger format! i hope you won't be mad? or is that idea copyrighted? :D but i'm really serious about it. we could even in vite some of you to it. |
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haha word! I'll let you know if I ever get around to it! |
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its not copyrighted at all. theres a chapter in seattle, california, and austin now... dallas just started last year. ive won first place in 2 alongside wild bull . the next one we're having here i get to be a judge!! the main one is based in seattle though , it was the first |
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i battled in seattle's laptop battle last year. it was live, in that i did a live remix of one of my tracks, but i didn't really compose anything live. i did not have a midi controller with me, just hotkeys and my mouse and Ableton live. i have a video of it on my zebox page. not really that exciting to watch. i mostly used it as an opportunity to mash up Janet Jackson in front of a crowd. |
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it started in seattle actually. www.laptopbattle.org |
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oh haha, you already said that. |
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I can sing a little, and i actually love barbershop! Could be interesting to make some with an electronic edge! |
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Use Visuals? |
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like this? |
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Also: Never trust your band mates if they ask you to dress in a certain way. Once we were supposed to play dressed like bitches. Guess who was the only one looking like a 40 year old junkie prostitute on vodka overdose... Fuckers. |
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Would you think of running in audio from say, a turntable, tapedeck, and radio, through multiple ins and use reaktor to gate them to a beat? That might be a way to make it interesting, because you can do all of those things live, and more than one at a time. |
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i doubt it would work - to high latency |
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live visuals suck - they just make people confused between visual and soudn |
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Hmmm. I doubt it... you don't even need to know what you are doing with the other soundbytes. But if you have latency problems, maybe you should invest in a half decent soundcard with a couple extra ins... |
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Well, that's your opinion... |
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taxi: i still think it wouldn't work well even with a good interface! but it's worth a look i think unabomber: yeah of course. imho it depends on the type of the visuals. i was once at a elektro-clash gig of my friend where his visuals were crossfaded hardcore pornos... it was quite disturbing because a group of guys just stood in the middle of the dancefloor and stared on the screen. |
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taxi: actually - if it would work out with the latency then the plugin "beat repeat" from ableton with the option "gate" would be ideal. |
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i walk out on stage with a bottle of absinthe and a microphone. i gaze into the crowd with an all too knowing stare and let the tension build, then i look down at the stage floor. I lower the mic by the cord to about 10cm from the floor and take a final swig from the near empty bottle, before violently smashing it on the ground. Then without acknowledging my bottle smashing i walk off silently back to my KORG microKORG where i lightly touch a key to engage my sampled bottle smash. i hit the key over and over and over until a beat becomes apparent at which stage a drop a nosebleed bass line and my bottle smash sample becomes a filterhouse melody. man i'd pay to see that... |
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it surely depends on who and how uses them. plaid live visuals are really impressive. |
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Who would want to look at such a bunch of freaks like us? Pics posted belong to "CtrlAltSupr", and the visuals are quite dark... In my other band, "NeoTokyo", visuals play a more important role. Part of the crew is there just for that. Manga and japanese stuff and shit... We even played sometimes in the back of the screens... Wanna see? |
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Yes, in the back of huge robots! |
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