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I don't have any specific examples of the sound, but I'll try to explain it. I guess it's like dropping your finger on a record and listening to the music fall in pitch and tempo simultaneously. There has to be a way to do it in Ableton with a VST or something. Any idea? |
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I'm sorry, I do not have an answer for your specific problem, but I have heard that in any given case it does wonders to be on the receiving end of a nice boob massage. |
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I think you will need to process the track beforehand, not in VST realtime. My 2 cents. |
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I've already bought a plane ticket! I'll be taking a massage course that specialized in.. well you know. |
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A preset called Power Loss in some program I can't remember.... |
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doppler |
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envelope pitch bend in soundforge |
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USE GLITCH 1.3 http://illformed.org/glitch/?page=downloads and ity's freeeeeeeeeeee! |
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You can also do that with madshifta, which is my favorite all time pitchshifter from when I used a computer to make music. |
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You know, ever since I found out about that program I have sworn off of any kind of music that sounds like it could have been made with it. Sucks too, because I used to be good at painstaking manual editing and microsampling that that program seems to do for you. It sucks to be rendered obsolete, but I don't need to support it. Using glitch is like handing your penis to the computer and saying you don't need it anymore. |
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glitch is the dogs. i hear what you say, i reckon everyone is usin it to. everyone should use this! |
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it sounds like shit, thanks |
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dont know till you try it ;-) |
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:( |
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Yeah, because music is only valuable when it's taken ages to compose. You can tell how good a piece of music is by the time it took to painstakingly arrange each and every cut-up fart. |
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i detect a hint of sarcasm there ;-) |
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No. Its a skill that I used to like to use. Now that everybody can do it because it doesn't take them any work, it devalues the style of music. I don't feel like making music like that anymore, because its less a thing of skill, and more a thing of what plugins you have. Making IDM is as easy as making trance nowadays with all the tools that are at your disposal. And now there is going to be even more idiots that normally wouldn't even try to develop skills like that under normal circumstances spamming their pathetic attempts at making interesting music. Perhaps you can see why I might get a little pissed off at shit like that. |
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Pretty much now it isn't much more than an annoyance. But it makes me cringe when people talk about using that plugin. Its like advertising how lazy you are. |
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make what you like, listen to what you like, don't think; it's music. |
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Its not so much about thinking. If you hear the same thing over and over again it becomes so monotonous as to become homogenized. |
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Anyways. I appologize for flaming. I will now shut up. |
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yeah, but you make it look like you, if someone made a song using glitch and you liked it but then found out it was made using glitch, would throw the cd out with the leftover food from your dinner or feed it to your dog. |
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Makes me think of when someone seems to want praise for cutting up a break in an arhythmic manner that sounds rubbish and glitchy and they mention the fact that they spent hours doing it as thought this means it's praiseworthy. Whereas they could get the same effect in 10 seconds with supertrigga. At the same time, I can sort of see Taxi's point. Making trance is a laugh. Copy of Vanguard, some ejay vocal samples and a drum loop and you're away. I can't respect something that manages to both sound rubbish and like it was done in 5 minutes. Whereas I can respect something which sounds rubbish, but is, from a technical POV, amazing or something that was done in 5 minutes, but sounds great. |
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No. But like I said, glitch has spoiled that kind of music for me, because when I hear too much of the same thing I get bored of it. I don't even bother listening to stuff if it sounds like everything else out there. There is so much music that is made by bedroom producers, and most of its crap, that its not even worth the time it takes to find the good stuff. And now giving people even more tools to standardize something that used to be unique... The way it feels to me is this. There is something special about a certain kind of production that takes time and work. You can tell the people that made it were willing to put the effort into learning how to make it. If everybody can make that kind of production, then there is nothing special about it. |
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the tricks that glitch mimics were pretty annoying to begin with |
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Nowadays, there is so much good music out there, you don't need to search for it, it comes to you. And its only fitting that most of the music that comes to you is crap. However, some of its good. I generally screen all the music that I am going to listen to. If I find out someone uses hardware, I will be more likely to listen to it, because you can tell they will have put more work into it than someone who just runs an amen break through glitch. |
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Watch out, you'll have some Friutyloops n00b citing a fake gear list that'd shame Richard Devine's. I sort of agree with you though; if someone is prepared to spend thousands of pounds on gear, short of the possibility that they're just some wealthy dilettante who bought a load on a whim, it would suggest that they're going to be prepared to spend the time learning how to use it properly. I think listening by recommendation is a better "filter" though; there's some great stuff made 100% with pirate software that it'd be a shame to miss and likewise, there are tedious "experimental" (read: structureless) tracks made by people who fall into the trap of thinking just by buying an Access Virus they'll become better at music. I think people in this latter group are most tragic. At least the floops n00b hasn't wasted their money, only their time. |
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Art is always evolving. What was once avant-garde sooner or later becomes a cliché. Get with the times, try and do something new for a change. Or go on rehashing the same tired old junk if it pleases you, just quit whining about it. |
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Ummm. Yeah. As I said in five or six different paragraphs, thats what I did. Well, not stop the whining, but this is a messageboard. |
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But you seem to be angry about it, as if it's not normal and scandalous and terrible. It's just the way things go, the avant-garde is meant to be digested by the mainstream, that's why it's called the avant-garde. It's a good thing and there's nothing regrettable about it. |
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use the VST "tape stop" it's free. google it i don't have a link. |
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A good song is a good song regardless of how complex it is. for example "Lowrider" by War. haha. i'm actually being half serious here. |
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Thanks... I didn't intend on sparking such an in-depth conversation, but it was entertaining and educational to read. |
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There is more to it. Since supatrigger has been out no one has made anything remotely as a good a beaucephalous bouncing ball. There is more to that track than a bouncy effect. |
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SupaTrigga doesn't do bouncing effects...it automates cut ups/reversal etc. The Aphex track is just clever use of basic delays in a structured way. |
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there is a free vst bounce effect though. it's called 'bouncy' i think. well i have it anyway. |
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It's not a case of how hard it is to make something that determines quality, it's how it makes you and others feel. If someone takes 5 minutes making something that they really like then fuck you if you think it's worthless because it means something special to them. As far as Taxidermist's glitch rant goes...I suppose I could hammer a nail into a peice of wood with a screwdriver if I spent long enough...would that be more of an accomplishment than using a hammer to do the same job? Music is about emotional investment not technical prowess. |
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I have the same thing. Never used it though :) An enveloped delay is all it takes. |
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if you do that, make sure you get a video of it in the youtube thread. |
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it's quite nice, i've used it on a speeding up bouncing melody line which i think turned out quite lovely to pat my own back a bit. |
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I don't think you are getting the whole point tho. Its oversaturating an already saturated field of music. People who wouldn't normally try to make that music will, and in the end, the emotional involvement that may or may not be involved in that song is less likely to be listened to because a lot of people will dismiss it due to the fact that there is so much of it. A similar thing occurs with money. Its like any other economy. Too much of it and it looses its value. Likewise, I feel less compeled to make that form of music because there is so much of it. Its not unique. The fun I used to have doing all those things manualy is lost, because I am not thinking, "this sounds neat, I want to continue doing this". I start thinking "wow. this sounds like the same thing everybody else and their mother can do now". Fun is one of those emotions that is expressed in music. Its not all just misery, or happiness, or childish memories, or recapturing the feeling you get when you take a hit of crack. I would go so far as to say fun is one of the most integral emotions that go into music and can be felt by the audience, next to love and depression. Anyways. I overreacted. I am sure you overreact every once in a while when you see something that annoys the fuck out of you. I just don't like it when people get lazy with something they contend is their art. It makes things seem cheap. |
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I use SupaTrigger (Trigga?) and/or my own Synth Edit Romana Shifter. |
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Anyone could make Acid...it's fucking basic stuff at instrument level...not everyone can make good Acid (stuff like Impakt's etc.)...I still don't think your arguement holds much water, although I respect your opinion. |
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Glitché |
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The emotional involvement is less likely to be listened to? |
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no glitch is shit when you use it on the rocks midicontrol it makes it kinda cool i think i like copy/pasting/cutting more |
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you let rye get moldy. to make it good, you add speed or PCP. |
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