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We have a world cup preditcions thingy going on at Loopz. Free to have a go and we dont get paid , lol, etc etc etc. Its if anyone is interested. |
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it's a nice idea :-) |
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my prediction is that it will bores me like hell |
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c cup |
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i predict sports coverage stealing time from news coverage on THE NEWS instead of staying in its own little pen. fucking sports. |
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Now there are other media too whose basic social role is quite different: it's diversion. There's the real mass media-the kinds that are aimed at, you know, Joe Six Pack -- that kind. The purpose of those media is just to dull people's brains. This is an oversimplification, but for the eighty percent or whatever they are, the main thing is to divert them. To get them to watch National Football League. And to worry about "Mother With Child With Six Heads," or whatever you pick up on the supermarket stands and so on. Or look at astrology. Or get involved in fundamentalist stuff or something or other. Just get them away. Get them away from things that matter. And for that it's important to reduce their capacity to think. Take, say, sports -- that's another crucial example of the indoctrination system, in my view. For one thing because it -- you know, it offers people something to pay attention to that's of no importance. [audience laughs] That keeps them from worrying about -- [applause] keeps them from worrying about things that matter to their lives that they might have some idea of doing something about. And in fact it's striking to see the intelligence that's used by ordinary people in [discussions of] sports [as opposed to political and social issues]. I mean, you listen to radio stations where people call in -- they have the most exotic information [more laughter] and understanding about all kind of arcane issues. And the press undoubtedly does a lot with this. You know, I remember in high school, already I was pretty old. I suddenly asked myself at one point, why do I care if my high school team wins the football game? [laugbter] I mean, I don't know anybody on the team, you know? [audience roars] I mean, they have nothing to do with me, I mean, why I am cheering for my team? It doesn't mean any -- it doesn't make sense. But the point is, it does make sense: it's a way of building up irrational attitudes of submission to authority, and group cohesion behind leadership elements -- in fac |
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-- in fact, it's training in irrational jingoism. That's also a feature of competitive sports. I think if you look closely at these things, I think, typically, they do have functions, and that's why energy is devoted to supporting them and creating a basis for them and advertisers are willing to pay for them and so on. -- Noam Chomsky in Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media |
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Great Book, dude. |
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What redrum says. |
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HEAR HEAR!!! |
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Sounds like he was bullied as a child. Probably by the same people he's trying to disparage. Probably scared to take a shower with everyone after gym class, too. |
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pffffffffff... |
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Hahahahahahhahahahahahahah.... |
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do you have a source for that? |
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Chomsky is the source!!!! The best ever!!! |
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England to win it! |
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It's part of a 3-hour documentary called "Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media". you can download it from chomskytorrents.org it's just something he says. but it makes sense. I do see the point to participating in sport, sport is wonderful, and necessary, especially when you're growing up.. but it's the whole ruckus that's generated around it that's so stupid. it's just like celebrity culture.. what does it matter? |
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so if sport doesn't matter, what does? |
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technically speaking it should be called a game |
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is this another case of reading and identifying with something rather that reasoning it out yourself? can you distinguish the difference between opinion and fact? are there any absolute truths anyway? |
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huh? was that a reply to my post? |
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i thing it's called fun, hey!, a break, a rest, some people like it some people do other things to relax. you take your anger out at other people for not thinking the same way, sport is a healthy outleft for pent up aggression, perhaps you should try it. |
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phew.... |
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i'll go on... sport can be a good bonding process, team play, learning to trust other people in time critical situations, gaining rapport, enjoying mutual interests etc england have performed poorly over the last 2 years, no thanks to the manager, they havnet got a hope in hell. |
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the final will be germany x argentina germany will win |
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all of your posts in response to my post only need a reiteration of what i said previously: I do see the point to participating in sport, sport is wonderful, and necessary, especially when you're growing up.. but it's the whole ruckus that's generated around it that's so stupid. it's just like celebrity culture.. what does it matter? |
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you've not addressed ANY of my points. in comparison to what does it not matter? how is sport like celebrity culture? i don't read tabloid papers and i don't watch the tv so that shit doesnt affect me. if you feel intimidated by what i like to call 'a celebration of the mediocre' then don't expose yourself to it. you don't have to buy into all the hyped bollocks, you do have a choice. there is more than one way to enjoy football, you don't have to have a wallchart on your wall, you dont have to go down the pub and cheer on your team, you can watch it on tv, or follow your local team. if you like you can analyse statistics, you can gamble money based upon what you may think you know, you can take the parts you like and ignore the parts you dont. see above for many other reasons why "taking part" can be a good idea. there are loads of reasons if you bother to look. if you don't want to do any of those fair enough, but they are there. |
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in comparison to current affairs of the world, to activism. to things that actually matter and impact upon your own life and the lives of countless others. how is sport NOT like celebrity culture? what're you on about.. everybody knows the names of footballers and what's going on in their private lives. they ARE celebrities. it's also like celebrity culture in the way that people devote such an amount of brainpower and time to thinking about these footballers and the sports news. As for not exposing yourself to it - i try not to. I turn the radio volume down when sports news comes on, and switch tv channel when it comes on. However, since it's SUCH an ULTRA IMPORTANT matter, it invades real newstime (like with that bullshit about rooney's injury), instead of being debated within the sports news segment, which is just off-the-wall, and goes a long way to providing evidence of what is chomsky's opinion. all of the reasons for "taking part" which you cite are absolute bollocks to me. taking part, to me, means playing a game of football, which is great. devoting a huge portion of your brainpower and life to something that doesn't have any real effect on you or people around you, time and brainpower that could be spent improving your life and that of the people around you, is just plain stupid to me. The point is, sports are a distraction from things that really matter because they impact upon your life and the lives of others around you. |
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Oh fuck, the way the media went on about his injury was SO annoying. It was on EVERY news bulletin on the radio for at least a week. |
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but you NEED a distraction, you cannot study 24 hours a day, breaks are healthy, and in that way they have value. are they bollocks? how are they bollocks? they arent bollocks theyre all true. ive experienced them, and ive experienced other people doing the same. your complete dismissal of my other reasons seems part immature, part reluctance to accept the truth. theyre true for me, so they ARE true. if you havent been in that situation, then who are you to judge? |
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What? I thought it was pretty evident that he was saying that sport IS important and a great thing but the way the media go on about it and bring the private lives of the footballers and their wives and children into it is pointless and annoying. There's nothing at all wrong with being distracted by sport, but reading up about the players' lives in magazines like Heat is just... horrible |
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i'm not saying you should do one single thing 24 hours a day, i'm just saying people shouldn't make sport the single thing they're concerned about. and that's what happens. are they bollocks? how are they bollocks? they arent bollocks theyre all true. ive experienced them, and ive experienced other people doing the same. your complete dismissal of my other reasons seems part immature, part reluctance to accept the truth. what are you talking about here? "they"? to what does "they" refer? |
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nah you've missed the point read the original posts i made with excerpts from chomsky, chicky |
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I so don't even understand football that it doesn't affect me. What does affect me is if your in a pub and a big game's on and blokes seem to be in a competition to find out who can most demonstratively manifest grief or utter, uncomprehending disbelief to any near miss / ceded goal / referee's decision in contra of their team. I can't imagine they'd react with one fraction of that kind of "OOOOOHHHHHAHHHH" "..gnnnnnnnnAAHHH ... OOOOHHHHHHH" if they'd been told something really important like You're being made redundant. Your wife just died. The world's ending.. now. Then it'd just be "Do what, mate?" So I just feel I am missing out on something exciting, something more important than life or death. Which is a shame, really, but what can you do? |
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what makes you think they do? and who are you to tell other people what to do? i agree with you, but the media is just there to make money, its easy to ignore. why should you care about people who read the sun and heat magazine? i fucking well dont! they have no part in my life whatsoever. leave them to rot in their brainwashed hell hole. svalx, it's a 2-way street, the footballers often invite the media into their lives, they have agents, they organise mettings, they tell the media where they are and when they will be there. |
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God, I'm just SO thick. How about we read this little tiny extract of your HUGE spiel? "how is sport NOT like celebrity culture? what're you on about.. everybody knows the names of footballers and what's going on in their private lives. they ARE celebrities." I didn't mean that that was soley the issue though. Sorry I didn't make that clear. I think I understand your point; that people are too concerned with who's going to win the next match and all that gubbins, rather than more serious things in their own lives, but also in the world, such as poverty and stuff.. or have I actually missed your point? |
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"they" was a reference to my reasons for sporting activities. seriously, it's not as one dimensional as you think. unless you choose it to be! or choose it not to be. that is the question. |
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no, that's the point. and, moreover, they have the power (although they've been made feel powerless by the media) to do something about these terrible things - whereas they don't have the power to do anything about sports. if they turn up at a game and shout the loudest, it's not going to make their team win - but if they do win, that person can go home with the feeling that they achieved something, that they helped secure this victory. pete, i'm not telling people what to do. I don't even think it's down to them - the media has a huge role to play in making sport the predominant thought in people's lives. and that's how this all started - read my very first post in this thread.. i'd just been very fucking pissed off when i was forced to sit through NEWS reports of wayne rooney's fucking foot, when i didn't give a shit about his foot, and when this news (as important as it might be for some) should've been kept to the sports section of the news bulletin. i don't have a problem with people having sport in their lives, following a team, etc etc. it's the mainstream media i'm angry with, for hijacking real news and replacing it with this stuff as a blatant distraction. |
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Oh, yeah totally. I wasn't saying that it was a 1-way street! It doesn't make any difference whether the footballers are getting harrassed by the media, or if they're asking for it. The point is that there still is that media coverage, and people buy into it so much. I realise that no news can be wholly reliable and unbiassed but it really does bother me that people buy the Sun instead of "proper" newspapers because I think it starts altering the general public's view on what really "matters" and they start worrying more about whether David or Victoria Beckham look better in a skirt, instead of being aware of the real issues in the world that will affect the daily lives of us all. |
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what about the fact that the wayne rooney injury was on the news section, first story, with 10 minutes devoted to it, on BBC news 24, Sky news and UTV/ITV news? they're respectible news media. they're not tabloids... and yet.. |
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ok ill agree with that, we got there in the end! but if its the media, in partucular the bbc that i have a far bigger gripe with. everything is so dumbed down, even the proper news, just for muppets like the ones you cite. their inane clever phrases they use, their buzzwords of the week, and more often than not the impartiality, is disgusting. |
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btw my last post was posted before i read the 2 above, it seems we are more liked minded than i thought 15 minutes ago, probably my ego getting in the way AGAIN |
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Yeah, that's absolutely what I mean. The most important stories usually get first coverage on the news, but instead I was hearing a longer story on his foot avant shorter stories about more pressing worldwide issues, that should have been more important and concerning to everyone. |
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haha hardly :) i think it was a case of crossed wires. we began the discussion with several misconceptions on both sides, it's a bit of a miracle that we came to some sort of civil conclusion :) |
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Oh dear. Been doing too much French revision avant=before |
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THANKS LOOPZ |
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This board is fucking rediculous with its views about mass media...as though there is some fucking conspiricy to make people stupid. The truth of the matter is the media are in the business to make money...they will feed people whatever the people want to be fed. It may come as a shock, most people don't give a fuck about 'pressing international issues' or the plight of a people they have no affliation or empathy with. After working all day, most of the population doesn't want to think, they just want something not very taxing that entertains them. The news is important but if people aren't interested they will simply change channel, so the media give the people news about things they are interested in...and in the case of the BBC they try to inject a little bit of proper news in there as well. Anyway, cheers loopz. |
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It may come as a shock, most people don't give a fuck about 'pressing international issues' or the plight of a people they have no affliation or empathy with. Yes, and isn't that sickening? It's a natural human reaction to feel empathy towards people who're suffering.. so how's it come to this point? |
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It's always been that way, you only care about 'your own', it's just what you perceive your own to be. For some people it has never extended outside of their family, for others it's their local community, their city, their race and so on. Some people have a more global view, but sadly that is and always has been a minority. I beleive the break down in local communities...partly fuelled by alternative forms of entertainment such as TV and video games, has contributed massively. People can't empathise with others because they don't even fully understand themselves. They have no identity and no sense of belonging. Humans need to belong, and that is why people become so emotionally involved with crap like Big Brother. |
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