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offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 15:24 [#01900154]
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ok, excuse any silliness, but it seems to be time to be
drunk.

are groups and group-identity a good or bad thing in your
opinion? Now, I'm talking groups in a rather wide sense..
from the smallest gangs of friends to that notion of
belonging to a nation. At a quick glance, it would seem that
groups are the cause of strife (to have a fight, you need
two sides), but it's also so that the majority of groups
don't necessarily fight or anything like that...

Nevertheless, if someone managed to make all people on the
planet feel they were a part of the same group and of no
smaller group (unlikely, but for the sake of an example, and
which would render the word "group" obsolete as it wouldn't
really be referring to anything, but that aside..), it seems
there'd at least be less large-scale fighting.. I don't
think even that would make people stop fighting small fights
over small things (like drunk people out on town in a
disagreement that goes a bit over the top or people who have
been cheated by someone, etc), but it seems it would have
the power to stop stuff like wars (as there would be no
opponent; what would they be fighting?)...

However, is it so that the smaller (as in not-global)
group-like structures we have everywhere today actually
don't really have any advantages over anything global? I,
for one, am against globalisation and homogenisation of..
well, just about anything but milk due to the fact that I
believe a critical attitude that is only achieved by social
and individual differences.. not that all people belonging
to the same group would necessarily be the same as
people being less different on an individual level, but I
think it is reasonable to say that it would most likely have
an impact...

anyway, if any of this makes sense and there really are
questions, what do you think?


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-05-16 15:27 [#01900156]
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fcuk


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-05-16 15:28 [#01900161]
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lol


 

offline bob from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2006-05-16 15:28 [#01900162]
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You been smoking the reefer again?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2006-05-16 15:30 [#01900164]
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yes and no


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 15:30 [#01900166]
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reef·er 1 Pronunciation (rfr)
n.
1. A short, heavy, close-fitting, double-breasted jacket.
2. A close-fitting, single-breasted or double-breasted
coat.
3. Nautical A person, such as a midshipman, who reefs.

?


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-05-16 15:32 [#01900169]
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i dont think theres a question in there. if there isnt an
opponent then there is nt fight. yes i agree


 

offline bob from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2006-05-16 15:35 [#01900172]
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Reefer:

1. A close-fitting usu double-breasted jacket of thick
cloth.
2. A cannabis cigarette.
3. Someone who reefs a sail.

So, are you wearing your close-fitting usu double-breasted
jacket of thick cloth?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 15:37 [#01900180]
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oh, just ignore it, I'm just bored and tomorrow is like
norways constitution day thingie (like 4th of july or
whatever) and I hate it 'cause it's just silly and annoying
and fucking buekorps that have to make noise and drumming
and shit ass cockfucker for months before this because
they're "practicing." Oh, look at me, I have to practice
beating this drum randomly!

also, I saw some program about some people building a bridge
or something and it was in america and for some reason the
workers seemed to think they had to plant the american flag
every fucking where.. like when they were transporting some
beams for the bridge one of them climbed on top of it and
planted a flag there like that steel beam was a sign of the
superiority of america or something and it was all just
silly and that very feeling of national pride is what I
think is cause of both national and international shit
stirred up in and by america bla bla


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 15:38 [#01900183]
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no, I smoked it as you said. was that wrong?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 15:38 [#01900184]
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more whiskey dear?


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-05-16 15:38 [#01900185]
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fcuk


 

offline bob from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2006-05-16 15:40 [#01900187]
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Yes. Sorry, it was a typo on my part.

Apologies for encouraging you to trash your close-fitting
usu double-breasted jacket of thick cloth.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 15:40 [#01900188]
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Different kinds of energy resources have fundamentally
different "qualities". For example, a BTU of oil (oil before
it is burnt) is fundamentally different than a BTU of coal.
Oil has a higher energy content per unit weight and burns at
a higher temperature than coal; it is easier to transport,
and can be used in internal combustion engines. A diesel
locomotive wastes only one-fifth the energy of a
coal-powered steam engine to pull the same train. Oil's many
advantages provide 1.3 to 2.45 times more economic value per
kilocalorie than coal.

Oil is the most important form of energy we use, making up
about 40 percent, or 152 quadrillion Btu, of the world
energy supply (DOE, 1998). No other energy source equals
oil's intrinsic qualities of extractability,
transportability, versatility and cost. These are the
qualities that enabled oil to take over from coal as the
front-line energy source in the industrialized world in the
middle of this century, and these qualities are as relevant
today as they were then:

"If one considers the last one hundred years of the U.S.
experience, fuel use and economic output are highly
correlated. An important measure of fuel efficiency is the
ratio of energy use to the gross national product, E/GNP.
The E/GNP ratio has fallen by about 42% since 1929. We find
that the improvement in energy efficiency is due principally
to three factors: (1) shifts to higher quality fuels such as
petroleum and primary electricity; (2) shifts in energy use
between households and other sectors; and (3) higher fuel
prices. Energy quality is by far the dominant factor."

A BTU of sweet oil is fundamentally different than a BTU of
sour oil. Sour oil is contaminated with sulfur and requires
special refineries with higher energy costs. Some giant oil
fields (e.g., Manifa in Saudi Arabia) are "virtually
unusable" because they are contaminated with hydrogen
sulfide and vanadium (a heavy metal).


 

offline bob from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2006-05-16 15:41 [#01900192]
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You must well up there as thoughest poster with these
messages. They be good ones. I'll never be the thoughest
with my shitty little posts :B


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 15:42 [#01900196]
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I'm sooooo thoughest!


 

offline bob from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2006-05-16 15:45 [#01900200]
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How cool am I? No so though now, are ya? Huh?

Punk.....


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-05-16 15:46 [#01900201]
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I know what you mean about national pride and how it fucks
people's judgements about other cultures. But all this
nonsense about planting flags everywhere? Who the fuck
cares? It's in America, not another country.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 15:49 [#01900204]
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planting the flags, no matter where it is, seems to be some
sort of ceremony that affirms ones own beliefs that one self
and ones nation is awesome and superior and contrary to what
one would think (that planting the flag on something
unimportant would diminsh the flags power), planting the
flag on something unimportant increases the potency of both
the flag and the item it is planted on.. or something.


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-05-16 15:59 [#01900214]
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What? Has Norway a flag? Is it flying anywhere? Do you think
your country is superior? A flag, I guess, signifies a
nation, and often when planted somewhere in that nation,
pride in that nation...and unity of it's people. If America
wants to plant flags everywhere in IT'S own land, go for it!
Why is America lambasted so much? Any Americans want to
speak to this?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 17:32 [#01900282]
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I don't like any kind of flag-planting, but with americans
it's like even for people who like flag-planting they go
over the top... I mean.. a fucking steel beam?!?


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-05-16 17:39 [#01900287]
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people need a sense of identity and a sense of belonging. it
gives them order, direction and purpose i.e continuing their
belief, their kind. groups etc are like a comfort zone. it
amazes me that people often think in the concept of 'us and
them' when there is far more to it than that. its
reassuring, but its most definatley not that black and
white.

does that help?


 

offline 05 from vita contemplativa on 2006-05-16 17:42 [#01900288]
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Kein Bestandteil Sein

Will will will kein Bestandteil sein
Will will will will kein Bestandteil sein
Will will kein Bestandteil sein
kein Bestandteil sein
nicht von dem was war - es war nichts
nicht von dem was demnächst kommt
nicht von nichts davon
nicht von dem was ist, allemal nicht, nicht davon
will will will will will will will will will
will will will kein Bestandteil sein
kein Bestandteil sein
kein Partikel im Netz
kein Staub...
will will will will kein Bestandteil sein
tausch meine Stimme gegen Vogelgeschrei
tausch meinen Schlag, Schlag des Herzens gegen Beben
möglichst hoch auf der nach oben offenen
Richterskala


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-05-16 17:45 [#01900289]
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well.. do we? ..or do we just assume that we do?


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-05-16 18:00 [#01900292]
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America has a lot to be proud of. And yes, the building of a
bridge, no matter how insignificant, brings a sense of
pride. Why not put a flag on one of the beams. "We as nation
made this"...or something. Pride can be dangerous though.

If your country made it to the moon would you think that
they plant a flag?


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-05-16 18:03 [#01900293]
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ok maybe we don't need them but many of us choose to join
them for the aforementioned reasons. whilst i can't call it
human nature, many people deisre social acceptance and
conformity as a means of establishing themselves and their
place, and there is a lot of evidence to suggest this.


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-05-16 18:03 [#01900294]
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ok maybe we don't need them but many of us choose to join
them for the aforementioned reasons. whilst i can't call it
human nature, many people deisre social acceptance and
conformity as a means of establishing themselves and their
place, and there is a lot of evidence to suggest this.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-05-16 18:52 [#01900306]
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observez la fourmi



 


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