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What are the rules about using presets in music? Like not the laws, but the guidlines for a respectable artist using presets? Do artists not use any presets, rarely use them, modify them slightly, or just use them whenever they feel like it? I was just noticing some sounds on Reaktor that I have heard in tracks. I know that it is hard to make every sound completely unique, but these were very similar. |
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I have an Andreas Tilliander album that sounds like nothing but Vierring presets. Well okay, not presets; maybe he hit randomize a couple of times. One thing I used to use a lot in R was the resonators - they sound like tuned reverb. That gets old fast. There's an effect in Ableton that does the same thing. What music did you hear, and what presets did it sound like? |
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some presets are classic though. like that DX-patch called Solid Bass. and the tb303 sound is borderlining a preset too methinks. |
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if your listeners (i.e., me) dont know any music making software, etc, then in turn i dont know any "presets" so how would i know you are using them 0_0 |
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good electronic music goes balls out, without worrying about presets or anything. If it sounds good, then it sounds good. Although most presets generally sound awfull, so I guess its up to the discression of the producer. |
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Yes, the DX 100 especially 'Solid Bass' just works. It's the perfect weight for its register. It's fun sometimes in the guitar world to swap pickups and strings but it's still what you do with it. In reaktor what I normally hear is people making inferior things to the presets. |
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I normally use presets as a starting point and modify them to suit my needs, then I save them as my own presets for later user. |
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I normally begin by inheriting and overloading a library of K-recursive µ filaments. |
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David Bowie said once he got told off by, I dob't know, who's his famous producer, that bloke, anyway, he went on saying Dave shouldn't use presets and Davey said the makers of the keyboard obviously had gone to some lengths to make those sounds and that they sounded good so fuck off and if I'm going to choose between Bowie and DJ Handjob, aged 14 doing breakcore for the 14 recursive time, ... I'm sticking with fucking Ziggy Tin Machine. |
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Tony Visconti is the name I'm looking for. |
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I enjoy making music |
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id say it depends what the preset sounds like |
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what keyboard / thing makes the mentasm sound? any other famous ones? |
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Alpha Juno-2 |
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The particular track that made me wonder was Fridge- Five Combs. It sounds suspiciously like a preset in Subharmonic (I think it is book of genesis). Well... almost exactly. And now that I am hearing it, Y.M.O. sounds a lot like something I can't put my finger on. |
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Hmm... i just realized that I modified the preset a bit before it came up with that sound. |
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Oops, one more followup. Do you guys change the settings to get a specific sound, or do you just mess around, and if you come up with something cool, you use it? |
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When one of you cunts ever get round to making a half decent track please let us know, presets or otherwise. |
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YMO = yellow magic orchestra? I don't know their music enough to know if this is one of their typical sounds. |
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I only have their Hi-Tech/No Crime remix album and well, it sounds like the cross-section of dance-music a-la 92 |
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I generally dislike the idea of presets, but then again, presets defined the sound of certain eras. Sometimes I like to use them intentionally in tracks to reference those eras and try to tap into some collective memories there. They're very valuable in that regard. However, in general, I'm against them when modification is possible. That being said, I can also defend presets in that they are no different from saying that a guitar has a 'preset' guitar sound. So, various keyboards, programs, etc. could be said to be entirely new instruments.. potentially defining whole genres like the electric guitar did for rock. Who knows! |
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Very interesting thread. One guy who uses presets a lot, is alec empire. Almost embarrasing sometimes. But then again, i guess his music (at least not his digital hardcore stuff) is about being avant garde electronica, but more the whole energy thing. And in that case, i guess presets are ok. When i make music myself, i tend to avoid presets. Electronic music is 80% what sounds you use, in my book (any music actually) |
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Nothing sounds more satisfying than awful music with great sound design. |
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I think this is a prime example of the technology being first and formost in the field of getting ahead of itself. |
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I'm a heavy absynth users. and I'm quite opposed to presets. When I started using absynth I always made patches from scratch. the result now is that I'm hardly impressed by the presets I hear now days. what I do now however is making my own preset for a padsound,lead or bass. and use that as a starting point. it saves me some time. |
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I want presets that master, mix and fix my songs |
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People who are vehemently against presets on principle would do well to remember that there were a large number of hardware synths didn't allow construction of new patches. Others had such awful UIs that most people never learnt to program them. Remember, something like 90% of DX-7s returned to the factory for servicing still had all the original presets on them, unchanged. My POV is if a preset is exactly the sound you want, by all means use it; don't tweak it so it doesn't work as well in the track, just on principle. Similarly, if you want a pad/bass/whatever, there's no shame in taking an existing preset that is similar and using that as a base for your version, particularly when you're learning a new synth. As isnieZot says, it's nice once you've built up a few basic leads,pads, basses etc. to use them as templates for your future patches in that "genre", rather than using other people's. I think it's fun and a good learning experience to make patches from scratch too (I've made patch banks for Absynth, Polyiblit, etc. where every sound is made from scratch and not based on any preset). I just don't feel obliged to do it all the time. |
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This is my POV exactly |
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excellent topic! of course it boils down to the user and what the users going for. if a preset sounds like what im after ill use it. all my drums are sampled sounds so are they presets? also if i add effects to a synth or whatever is it still the original preset? and to answer your question about whether, when i do create my own sounds, i have a specific sound in mind the answer is 99% if the time no. every song i make i start with a blank slate and when it comes to the sounds i just fiddle and fiddle and fiddle until i find something i like. |
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