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What about this. The computer revolution. No serious AI scientist today deny that the computer will match the human brain within 30 years(in just about actually). In hardware supercomputers in 2009 match the human brain(calculations/sec) and has done it for a while(today a new pc match an insect). By scanning the human brainstructures and patterns(the psysical design): there's a destructive metode where the brainowner dies(used on a few criminals by agreement insted of the ordinery execution) and a later nondestructive one) - the software or intelligense occur that match us because it's possible to use all the hardware power. So in 2029 computers regularly pass a valid Turing Test(a judge shall tell the computer from the human, by asking questions) and computers has read all existing litterature. All in all life occur wheter in electrinic circuits or in coalmatter circuits as with humans. Electronic circuits though are a million times faster than the biological and there's a very big amount of effort used in our biological lifeform's hole basic structure just to secure the nessasary stability so we wont die. Eventually we will melt together with our tecnology and become immortel - in our lifetime. It's logical that we will use a better design that evolution gave us. The tecnological revolution afterall is the natural consekvens of intelligent life and when it comes down to it, pure evolution. The next 20 year is 400 year in todays tempo. Dont believe it - read about it. Try for example Ray Kursweil's When Computers Exeed The Human Intelligense, he predigted the internet, the year Deep Blue would beat Kasparov in chess and hundreds other things and evented the scanner and a lot of other eventions. I dont read sciencefiction - reality beats it by far. Sorry i havent got a pic but i dont have a pc. Peace up you fucked up heads. |
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thats sick b0nk |
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yah it is |
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We still can't match Brains for storage. It's estimated the average human brain can hold around 20 TB (tera-bytes) of data. Nothing we have comes close in terms of physical volume/storage capacity terms... Eventually humanity will become part of one big machine all linked by computers. The internet is just the beginning... |
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Not whilst ninjas exist! |
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There are actually are things in the air at all times that we can't see cause they move faster than our vision can track them. For a while they thought they cause cancer... |
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I wonder if it was the Marlboro company who propositioned that cancer theory? ;) |
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So much to respond too: 1: the Brain...no one knows anything concrete about the brain. It's a whacky, mushy, ultracomplex organ of unknown quality that scientist understand about as much as cavemen understood fire. It's still this mysterious phenomenae that people are trying to crack. And lets not even talk about the emergent presence of the Mind/Ego. The fact that we are self-aware, and that the Mind is self-aware, and that the brain is self-aware, but we can't connect where the brain stops being the human body and starts to become the mind...*Boom* mu head explodes. Language and Ego and Emotion and Perception...what are these funny animals? Us...yes, but what does that mean? Read Godel, Escher, Bach and also the Mind's Eye to confuse yourself even further. 2: Reality is what we perceive it. If it's not perceptible (directly or indirectly) can it truely affect us? We can't see the wind, but we feel it, and we see the branches of the tree moving. The fact that we feel the wind is real, but the fact that the wind moves the tree is directly unfounded (no one saw that crazy little monkey among all those leaves!!!) 3: Exsistance out of phase with time and space...if we don't see them, and they exsist on the same physical plane, under the same physical laws, as us, they probably can't see us. What use would it be for them, and if we can't affect them, how would they know we're here. On the other hand...if our actions (electomagnetic fields blooming at alarming rates across the planet, the presence of nuclear reactors, etc.) affect them in unperceivable ways...we may have already unknowingly wiped them out. Or maybe they're doing something similar on their phase of exsistance that drives us all violently irrational and is responsible for all the wars out there? Oh well, not much we can do...we should focus on the creatures we can more directly see and affect, like whales and monkeys and other people... Priorities people, priorities... |
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Reality Is What You Can Get Away With ;) |
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Deadwhitespoon: I agree 100%, the brain doesn't store 20tb of data, that's B.S., its not translatable on those terms, what's that mean I can memorize 1000 hours worth of high-res video? cmon. We don't have a clue yet how/where the brain creates consciousness, which would seem to be the most fundamental aspect of our understanding. "Read Godel. Escher, Bach..." I'm about to... |
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Brace yourself Xantos! It's one of those tomes you just keep reading and reading and reading! Of course 100% worth the weight! |
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I have that book - really great read and mental challenge!! |
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Well but look at the facts. Computers has a perfect memory, they can instantly recall every input/file they contain. They can't forget and therefore only have to learn everything once - today of course you have to do programing for it to learn. They can share thoughts/data over the internet by simply copying it. Before Deepblue beated Kasparov you had to be intelligent to play chess but suddently a dump computer beated him and now it's not considered anything that genius to play chess. It's possible to make computers do complex things like stock investing that beats humans or to carry out very complicated medical diagnosis more competent than the doctors, but still impossible to make it ride a bike or built a tower of bricks like every child can do. We humans can play tennis because we know how to hit that ball. It would take a major effort to make a robot play tennis well because of all the precautions needed to be taken. Where at the field should it run to, how hard to hit and what direction do the ball need to beat the opponent. The human brain has neural networks so it recognizes earlier situations like the one just happening, if you think about it it's rare that you actually do something new. It's just the way that require least hardware capacity(calculations/sec) what we humans suck in. But lately it's become possible to construct AI with neural networks that learn by experience just like we, and to make it value that experience so that not all of the billions of data have the same priority but after what's nessasery to survive(follow the basic inputs like: learn as much new as you can etc.). You overestimate consciousness because that concept emerge by it self when the calculation power are used intelligent(software). Our bloody DNA works digitally. God works digital. I'm not saying that there's no spiritualistic stuff going on that the science world now at least dosn't categorical deny but biological physical intelligence works digital. Piece..Peace I mean;) |
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i just asked my mate who has done 2 trips a day for the last 1+1/2 years about this discussion and he said "never mind all that are we going down the shops or what?" |
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end of discussion |
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