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talking with various mates we came to the conclusion that warp might be in some trouble financially, cos when aphex goes they are fucked ( my mate thinks warp is basically an aphex tribute label) cos lots of their bigger artists have had their latest albums flop or been below par, (ae, []>, 2ls etc), high cost flops (jimi tenor and red snapper got dropped cos the sold little and cost lots in studio fees) and their newer signings/ releases aren't too interesting, (anti-pop, devine, gallo). the afx and boc releases have probably brought in a lot but i doubt that it'll go far with the cost for the new site, london rent, us office costs etc. warp need to cut out the dead wood like mira calix (married to half of ae/ ex label worker but still not very good), jamie lidell (talentless cunt), chocolate releases (usually pretentious and lacking in warmth/ true innovation). warp could be the best again, but they need to pull their shit together and start trying to find quality new acts to nurture rather than the "emporers new clothes" shit of late. any views? |
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chocolate releases is fuggin good i love that rapid transit comp |
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define why Confield and Go plastic were flops.... do you have knowledge that the sales fell way behind the previous Autechre and Squarepusher, or do you just not like the new records? sure, Warp is sort at a figurative "crossroads", with the style getting a decade old.... so, what do you want then? Aphex clones? Autechre clones? old skool acid revival? acid-jazz, whatever the heck you wanna call it, intelligent-trance-music (ITM)... where do you find these original quality acts, that you speak of.... why don't you offer some consultation to warp to help them out... maybe warp is fading, but you make it sound so easy... |
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jamie lidell (talentless cunt) word to the motha! |
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Aint LFO releasing something sometime? That would help. Especially if it's good, which I imagine it would be. |
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maybe, but devine is an autechre/funksturong wannabe, but his best cant match their worst, cos all he does is put lame stuff through reactor to produce stuff very little true emotion and innovation, prefuse 73 is good but the savath and savalas album is a little stale, cos all the tracks are quite samey, and the it is actually a mini album with a few more title than proper songs, to trick you into buying it: the chocolate thing is usually done better by skam, and it seems like a US cash-in thing (open us office, release us stuff cos it it would do better there than lots of straight brit/ euro stuff. fair enough if the want to release good stuff like estrocaro, but pap is pap and warp should release the cream that out there, not half baked stuff |
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hm.. but boc should be doing well for them.. but seriously, they should just sign me! ..that would solve all of their financial problems |
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to ubik: well, from the many reviews of the albums they did not get the recognition or praise of previous releases, looking at the charts they did not sell as well as they should have, especially considering the amount of paid promotion they had: i.e. full page ads in dance mags. also within 6 weeks of confield and plastic they went down from £14 ish to £7 ish in most shops, which is usually a bad sign, especially cos it is the lowest price an album can be sold for to be chart eligable, meaning the company wants to cut profit to get it into chart so it will get exposure missing from original release. also they are the releases which devide the fans most, so where something like big loada is liked by 90% of fans plastic is liked by half theubik, lets put it this way: where did warp find the gems before? using their record shop to sift through the underground pulse that was coming up, by being a bit more discriminative: total artistic control has its major pitfalls too: i ain't looking for some new genre or clone, but if warp would get out of the one single then album 4 weeks later pattern, maybe release 2/3 singles and do more live gigs to help artists gain a fanbase and develop if warp is at a crossroads they have been their a long time (i know it is a direct quote from ages ago) and i feel they have to bight the bullet and find some new talented artists rather than gimmiky stuff like gallo and maxximus jingle |
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i see where your coming from. i think the new release by BOC is their replacement for aphex in case he leaves. |
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there pritty popular now that geogaddi came out |
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Boards of Canada are going to be the salvation of Warp... see, it's starting!!! |
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yeah, i see what you meen zombie, but boc is class. a few additional points that might indicate warp is probably broke, and possibly sacrificing quality for money to pay their debts. warp tracks are being licensed everywhere: comercials, tv, etc possibly for a quick cash injection. the messageboard has been down for ages: can't pay bills? rerelease SOSW for quick cash budget aphex albums NESH at "secret locations": in crap place with no transport home like hackney possible legal action over banning of aphex advertising: theyseemed so shocked that the deformed mutant in wheelchair being watched with nightvision was not suitable for daytime viewing... "limited" releases, very often one sided (cheap) 12"s sold only through warpmart, so that the fans shit themselves and buy quickly warp preorder that arrives 4 days late, (even though i live 6 miles from them) and costs shop money plus postage (bad post everytime or is it cos they have 1 bloke doing it all rerelease of warpbags for the trainspotters; good but not £50 good. ditto to aphex shirts: £20 quid and it goes funny after 2 months another "clearout of the warp vaults" in feb when they had one in september in an office that is only a year or two old don't get me wrong, i love warp, but i feel if they find the raw talent and promote it right they won't have to do all this bullshit: aphex, lfo, boc, ae, squarepusher are all good cases for this method jingle |
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'maybe, but devine is an autechre/funksturong wannabe' Nah. Devine's a bit darker than those two. Listen to Aleamapper. |
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Gotta Agree... With AFX & Tom gone (can anyone 100% confirm this..).. it's only AE & LFO that really interest me there anyway... WARPMART I like, especially their support of smaller labels...but overall WARP has got too big...and Labels lose something when that happens.. One of the main guys there died recently and I think that it's gonna change bigtime...he was pretty much hands off for the last couple of years and I think it's been pretty noticeable... I bet they are praying (possibly paying) that BoC are seen as the nu school kings... |
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rather interesting thread, puts the warp155 (squarepusher untitled), warp magic bus tour, dirt cheap album costs (check cdnow, amazon, bn.com, etc. for autechre and squarepusher prices), and the expensive fruitcake boc kaleidoscope into perspective. ..makes me wonder why they did such a piss poor job promoting the p-brane ep and the still unanounced ep's from prefuse73 and autechre that have been leaked online for weeks. jand, why would squarepusher be gone? he just put out wap155 a few short months ago. |
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Don't even forget Plaid. There like the best artist on Warp IMO. |
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xlr8r did an article on some of the smaller experimental electronic labels recently...and apparently, the past year or two has been a pretty tough time for independent lables pushing this sort of music..mostly because of the economic recession, terrorism, etc...and you have to remember they lost one of their head guys last year...so of course this probably isnt the best time for the label... but you also have to remember that warp is still the largest, most recognized/respected labels in this type of music...and in electronic and/or independent music in general...and they seem to have connections to their biggest competitors (planet µ, schematic, rephlex, etc..) ...so i wouldnt worry too much..yet |
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and i wouldnt say they depend solely on aphex's releases either...they did fine in the 4 years between come to daddy and drukqs...windowlicker being the only release during that time...aphex's fanbase is pretty much shared with most of the other big warp artists.. |
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tits: ...I'm taking this from what rdj was saying re: Tom J's feeling about WARP...basically he hates everyone on there (except AFX & the old-school LFO)... I just hope they get all this sorted and we get some new AFX/SQPR sooner rather than later...on MEN or on WARP, I don't mind... |
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Yeah... plus they still have the legal rights to rerelease most of afx twins older stuff. They are not in trouble. They still be releasing good shit. Afx twin is not the be all and end all of warp. Or music in general. |
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they should sign britney |
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well whatever warp is still miles ahead any idm label |
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Warp is heading in a different direction anyway. A lot of labels out there manage to support themselves with a lot less established artists than warp has. If you go into soulseek, and look at the recomendations, you will notice that BoC is tops. LFO also has the record for warps best selling album, not the aphex twin. |
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LFO?..Best selling album?... really?...I must admit that the first LFO album (frequencies) is def Warps best non-afx/non-ae release, and it still sounds fucking excellent even now, 10 yrs on.... but it does suprise me that it's their best selling album.... |
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Yeah. It was one of the UK's 10 top selling ellectronic albums for the year when it came out. It still sounds well. |
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It still sells well. |
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Actually, don't quote me on that last part (its still selling well). Last time I talked about this subject, it was still considered a strong selling album... but that was a year or two ago. I am pretty sure its still warps biggest selling album tho. |
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devines been around for ages, not really a wanna be. don't be aphexcentric |
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Someone called Mark Bell emailed me the other day about getting hold of some rare AFX stuff... I did wonder if it was the Mark Bell from LFO but forgot to ask in my email back...think I'll send him another message to find out... |
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I know he was reasonably verbal in the warpforum. |
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Jingle, i've had inklings of the same things recently. I don't think squarepusher was a flop but I think basically they've had money going out in every direction and its just disseapeared, maybe they need to centralise a bit more. maybe even being in london had kinda made them lose sight of things. Who knows, but they are doing things that I wouldn't have thought they'd do complacency? there's lots of other good labels around making quality music...when warp first started they were in a league of their own. there's no one big rival, but loads put together could pose a threat |
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I am pretty sure they are making enuf money to float themselves thru distrobution deals alone. |
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to quote 'jand': "tits: ...I'm taking this from what rdj was saying re: Tom J's feeling about WARP...basically he hates everyone on there (except AFX & the old-school LFO)... " Well, that story seems to be classic aphex-bullshit, because i read a thing in jockey slut where tom jenkinson sung the praises of BoC and said something like he loved their 'hermetic' nature. |
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Yeah, yeah but who cares about any of it? For all i know RDJ is ahorrible prick and AE are really nice guys and BoC are just two new-age hippies who can't play guitars so they push buttons instead but I really couldn't give two shits about it. I'm after the music, not their personalities. For all I care, Tom is free to hate anyone he likes. If his next release is good i'll enjoy it and that's it. |
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I mean, warp has long time surpassed that "community" thing that everyone still kinda tags them with... |
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Too much money is being spent on Pot in the office. *tokes* |
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Why is jamie Lidell a talentless prick ? I havent heard his solo work yet, but the stuff he made with Cristian Vogel as Super Collider is fecking EXCELLENT ! |
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It was a bit of a hurried judgement I couldn't be bothered commenting on, but, now that you mention it again: Jamie's solo album is excellent and I guess what watermelon man disliked about it was the fact that it was so spastic/ messy... |
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well whatever warp is still miles ahead any idm label |
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Tom Jenkins has been quoted as well for saying that he has a lot of respect for Autechre, he likes their music, and that they are the sound of the future. |
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yep..Sounds like that was AFX bullshit then... I should've known really...;).. |
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yeah, yeah, but still, should any of us give a fuck? Do we need to build myths around music so abstract as this? It is devoid of any pretentions of social comment, so why do we pollute it with these stories? |
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Same reason people buy celebrity gosip magazines. |
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MORR MUSIC is taking control, I think. although WARP had some great releases recently- for exampla APC. maybe WARP is goin into new direction->electonic hiphop? (they released prefuse, req and apc thing lately) |
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Don't forget Lex records. |
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Uhm, yes, that could be it but then I see no point in being serious about it, eh? |
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More power to you. I'd just as well argue with everyone :P |
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yeah, it seems like morr are doing quite well for themselves. as is m3rck, they're at least putting out some high quality stuff. and that's almost limited to electronic hip-hop, "click-hop". still think warp is doing well. they had a good spell last year with their major artists putting out records that loads of people bought. most recent of this was the much hyped geogaddi that also had to sell lots and lots. this seems to be a more quiet year for warp though, with only ep's and singles and stuff coming from the big-hitters. anyone know of upcoming chris clark releases ? he's da shaznitz. |
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Ahh, cool, go ahead, dude. |
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I will. And if you ever talk to me that way again, I will come over to Yugoslavia and kidnap your cat!!! |
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