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make syn. strings sound real?
 

offline theo himself from +- on 2006-01-28 20:51 [#01829343]
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how?

increase high end frequencies, drown them in reverb? or get
a sample bank somewhere? please help.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2006-01-28 20:54 [#01829344]
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it's probably better to make them sound less realistic.


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-01-28 20:59 [#01829345]
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use sampled strings?


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-01-28 20:59 [#01829346]
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or 'real' strings?


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2006-01-28 21:01 [#01829347]
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well I dont have an orchrestra or even a string quartet
within reach at the moment, and I dont have any samples..
where at?


 

offline exsub from United Kingdom on 2006-01-28 21:12 [#01829349]
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you can get violin samples... then you can load them into
your sampler for pitch detune.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2006-01-28 21:44 [#01829355]
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Combining a couple of sawtooth-wave oscillators might work.
Maybe one of them could be the main tone and the other could
be slightly detuned, then apply reverb.

This concept was demonstrated on a CD that came with an
issue of Future Music that I bought about 6 years ago.


 

offline exsub from United Kingdom on 2006-01-28 22:00 [#01829365]
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i remember using an embracer (cubas sx) which made some
pretty realistic strings!


 

offline staz on 2006-01-28 23:38 [#01829393]
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www.synful.com


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-29 04:48 [#01829460]
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impossible.


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2006-01-29 04:52 [#01829462]
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an effective way is to lay down several tracks of synthetic
strings for full flexibility of composition
then taking small sections of sampled strings (even a simple
wave cycle) and make them loop and fade in and out in time
with your synthetic pattern, this will add realistic
harmmonies and violin noise and greatly improve the realness
of the sound if done well

but it can be a real pain in the ass to achieve a
satisfactory result :D



 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2006-01-29 05:10 [#01829479]
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steampipe


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-01-29 05:34 [#01829496]
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Combing filters are usually the best for this.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-01-29 05:35 [#01829497]
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But r4of is right. Why make synth sounds sound real, when
they sound perfectly beautifull sounding synthetic.


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2006-01-30 16:42 [#01830606]
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I want realistic sounding strings when recording certain
tracks that I'm playing actual acoustic instruments on.
keyboard synths can sound pretty silly in that mix.

what's a combing filter? like an FFT filter


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-30 16:48 [#01830612]
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nah its like a filter whose frequency response looks like a
comb


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-30 16:49 [#01830614]
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its all about the PWM...pparrently
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Mar03/articles/synthsecrets
47.asp


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-01-31 00:38 [#01830872]
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Its a really strong resonant filter. Like steve mcqueen
said, it creates a wavform that looks like a comb, through
feedback that it causes in its outputed wav (in simple
terms).
It can make thing sound either really metalic or really
organic, depending on what kind of wav the base sounds are
made with. I can get one to sound like pretty much any kind
of string instrument with fairly basic DSP knowledge.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-31 05:19 [#01831010]
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"There is an incompatibility with Synful Orchestra and
Fruity Loops. We will try to address this in the near future
but we don't have a schedule on this yet."


 

offline neuronaameboide from palma de mallorca (Spain) on 2006-01-31 13:00 [#01831212]
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well, in my opinion, syn.strings sound as they are,
syn.strings, producers like RZA from the Wu, uses them for
me like no one else right now, but if what you really want
is a real string sound, you must go to your albums and try
to find what you want on them. Clasical, you can find very
nice parts on minimal contemporanean music like phillip
glass or steve reich...


 


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