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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-01 19:37 [#00108056]
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The "IDM" cognomen is bogus. There is no doubt that people like squarepusher and AFX don't want to be grouped into a category like this. Why don't you just stop using it.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 19:39 [#00108058]
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shut up be happy
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-03-01 19:46 [#00108070]
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what category should they be grouped into?
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-01 19:57 [#00108090]
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doganus, of course
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TrevorGod
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 19:58 [#00108093]
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no category. Is prefuse 73 hip-hop, experimental hip-hop, IDM or jazz? Does it change the music if you call it IDM or would you no longer like afx if it was called 'elecro-rock 'n jazz'.
If genres help you find artists you like then you're probably missing out on a ton of artists you might like but havent given a chance because they are in a different genre.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-03-01 19:59 [#00108095]
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"The only thing more annoying than the term IDM is people who complain about it all the time"
-- Me
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blue_clax
from Edmonton (Canada) on 2002-03-01 20:02 [#00108098]
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lol... Xanatos I see what your getting at... but i tend to agree. IDM is pretty lame... I just lump it all into the electoinc catagory... makes more sence to me.
XD
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 20:03 [#00108101]
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bach's invention in A minor is rather nice isn't it?
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TrevorGod
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 20:04 [#00108104]
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squarepusher has a lot of "traditional instruments" though. so sqpsh could be considered traditional jazz with electro influences.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 20:06 [#00108106]
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does traditional jazz exist?
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TrevorGod
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 20:07 [#00108107]
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probably not. Does any genre really exist.
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astar
from Canada on 2002-03-01 20:10 [#00108109]
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does anything really exist?
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nhiiq
from the hanging valleys on 2002-03-01 20:12 [#00108110]
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"experimental electronic" seems to be a vague term that would some up most of these artists. ???
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 20:12 [#00108111]
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who said that?!
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nhiiq
from the hanging valleys on 2002-03-01 20:13 [#00108112]
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marlowe: wtf is your avatar?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 20:14 [#00108113]
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cup of nihilistic sollipsism anyone?
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nhiiq
from the hanging valleys on 2002-03-01 20:14 [#00108114]
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no, i'm just saying it would better describe the genre than idm would. i said it i guess...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 20:15 [#00108116]
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it's a picture of my wife who mysteriously passed away recently
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TrevorGod
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 20:16 [#00108117]
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Oh Marlowe... you so crazy
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nhiiq
from the hanging valleys on 2002-03-01 20:17 [#00108119]
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she try to do a little deep throat?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 20:18 [#00108121]
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please trevor, my genre isn't traditional crazy
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TrevorGod
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-03-01 20:43 [#00108131]
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sorry... I didn't mean to box you in there. My Bad.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-01 21:08 [#00108140]
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'tis quite ok
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:21 [#00108141]
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I thought IDM was an acronym for Industrial Dance Music.
That makes more sence to me and it sounds a little less pretentios
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nhiiq
from the hanging valleys on 2002-03-01 21:25 [#00108145]
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still can't "dance" to most of it.
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corticalstim
from Canada on 2002-03-01 21:28 [#00108148]
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i think it should be called "IEM" (Intelligent Electronic Music)
that would make more sense and give newbies to new-age/electronica a better idea of what to expect - instead of expecting a danceable song or catchy melody (which may apply, but not always)
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:29 [#00108149]
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Does anyone remember the term "Blipvert" as someone who likes IDM?
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-03-01 21:58 [#00108176]
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The ''dance'' has always thrown me off... I can't dance to 99% of this stuff.
I don't like the term ''IDM'', but I won't stop using it. It's just convenient. We all know what kind of music and what artists someone's talking about when they mention IDM. Just makes life easy.
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D-Hex
from Blue Springs Missouri (United States) on 2002-03-01 22:29 [#00108231]
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I dont think there is anything wrong with the term idm. Its an easy, if not lazy, way to describe a certain style, nothin wrong with that.
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dave
from saskatoon (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:43 [#00108256]
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i agree with ophecks , i like using the term idm because its easy and fast to write
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aron
from saskatoon (Canada) on 2002-03-01 22:45 [#00108262]
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i like glitch pop and cliqhop
i usually just say experiental electronic though.
but i don't mind idm. meh.
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-01 23:10 [#00108273]
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"What music is aphex twin?"
"Erm... electronic."
"So shit then."
Can we please have a better name for it?
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-03-01 23:13 [#00108278]
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instead of a better name, why not just punch in the face whoever says "So shit then?"
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-01 23:16 [#00108281]
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Hmm, i would but hes like 6 foot 3 and built like a brick shit house.
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nacmat
on 2002-03-02 02:15 [#00108412]
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International Drum Mixture
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-03-02 02:29 [#00108423]
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yeah...i dont really like saying 'idm' either sounds too pretentious...and 'experimental electronic music' is a bit long...so when asked what i listen to ..i say 'ya know..electronic stuff' and usually get the response 'ohhh..techno eh? oom ts oom ts oom ts'
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-03-02 02:50 [#00108435]
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I hate the term IDM I make that clear on a weekly basis.
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OK
on 2002-03-02 09:05 [#00108688]
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i prefer braindance...
but i agree on the experimental electronica.... well sortoff not all "idm" is experimental.. but blah blah blah
braindance it is... just cus it sounds cooler and a lot less pretentious than IDM
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-02 14:52 [#00108838]
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Modern Composers
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-02 14:54 [#00108840]
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Wayout is so right.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-03-02 15:37 [#00108882]
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braindance is even more lame, imo. why not stick with electronic music? that's what it is, after all. usually i don't bother explaining to other ppl what i listen to, though.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-02 15:42 [#00108888]
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well a lot of rock uses electronic equipment does it not? aren't the genre boundaries becoming more blurred anyways? why not say "fuck genres" and just call it "sound" or "noise" or "music"? if something sounds good it doesn't matter what category people feel the need to put it in -- and the category can stop people from giving music a chance - maybe people would be more open about trying new music if the stigma of a label was not attached?
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-03-02 15:47 [#00108891]
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well i think ppl still want to use categories cause it makes it easier to discuss music? that's just the way it is. but you're right, in a way. cd stores always have seperate sections for the various genres, it's just a question of convenience, i think.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-03-02 15:50 [#00108893]
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yeah, Intelligent Dance Music, come on... the media would say "This IDM music is for listening with headphones on" or something like that... well, why is it called intelligent DANCE music then? Call it Intelligent Listening Music if anything...
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-03-02 15:52 [#00108894]
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i don't think they used idm. it was chosen for them.
you know that saying"if you can't beat them, join em." well that probably happened to them
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-02 15:53 [#00108896]
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yeah, convenience - i hate that concept - convenience food, convenience tv, convenience everything - convenience means gentlefolk don't have to think any more - and the word convention has the same root as convenience too as an interesting side-note... and the word "fact" comes from the root "to make"...shows that the difference between fact and opinion is not so large after all.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-02 17:32 [#00108957]
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Back when I was first into electronic composers most people said "electroacoustic". Both Aphex Twin and Squarepusher have worked their way into this type of instrumentation. I almost feel a worthy distinction between art driven music and commercially driven music, but those lines are blurred also.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-02 17:33 [#00108958]
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Im still used to saying electroacoustic, so I mostly use that in description of AFX and square.
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Ubik
from United States on 2002-03-02 17:46 [#00108963]
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its "dance" because it evolved a lot from dance, acid house, techno, hip-hop, disco, industrial dance... why do people have to pretend this is "better" than those types of music, that is snobbish and stupid, segregating music like that... Rephlex has made a decades worth of music indebted to acid house, drawing from it, but people still insist that it is "better" than that lame, lower class music that you would shake you booty at instead of your braincells. and, yes, this is a pointless discussion, because if you insist on segregating, you are going to keep on trying to draw unbreakable boundries to try to get the music segregated.
and isn't all "good" music, Intelligent Listening Music?
if you want a label, how about Adult Themed Anti-Contempary Post-Dance
actually Post-Dance is a term that might have some meaning, but it sounds pretty lame thou
... are you labeling the music... or are you trying to label yourself, a label to show the world how smart and cool you really are?
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-02 17:53 [#00108967]
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weak
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