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Aphex Twin - Live @ Atp, Uk 2003 (Venetian Snares).mp3 150 MB |
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i have azureus, i am wondering if we could distribute it via bittorrent. I can't get my seeder to work though.. but i can upload it to someone, then help seed it. possibly. |
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What the fuck is Aphex Twin (Venetian Snares)? Luke Vibert (Phil Collins). |
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just as a separate issue - where are all the lossless bootlegs of electronica? i never come across any... where should i look? whoever is taping these shows - thanks, but please, please knock it off with the mp3's already. |
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do you like huey lewis and the news? |
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p.s., for the msot part lossless live is fuking rubbish (except for the bass, MAYBE). ...and this is coming from someone who only deals flac/lossless. as for liveshit, im sick of people passing around hundred meg files of a fuking shit recording of a live set. sorry, but i dont buy it. |
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I don't think anyone buys it. Not like the old days, going round the record markets buying bootlegs. At least you got crappy sleeves and wildly erroneous track listings. Eeeeehhh *drifts back into fitfull sleep again* |
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maybe you don't care, but i can tell the difference readily between 128k and lossless. it's very easy to hear the difference. it's practically a crime that these things are going around as mp3s. it's not "maybe for the bass" - it's the question of hearing the full recording as good as the master versus hearing mp3 artifacts that tear holes in the frequencies. |
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as for liveshit, im sick of people passing around hundred meg files of a fuking shit recording of a live set. i'm sorry to keep going on about this, but this is something that has bothered me since the first mp3s. the "logic" here is that you take something that sounds bad, and then turn it into an mp3 so that it sounds much worse. i think that's garbage. |
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I can't really notice the difference |
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yet lots of people can and would rather have flacs. |
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psychological egoism rules |
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If ever I am in the position to distribute a bootleg of some sort, I will not convert it to mp3, but only because it makes me popular and thus increases my chances for reproduction |
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with you |
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what are you, deaf? you can't tell the difference between an mp3 and a flac? do you have headphones you got from an airplane? are your speakers facing away from you and enclosed in a lead box? it's like night and fucking day |
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yes to all those conditions |
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192kb MP3s sound alright really. Just be glad people are generous enough to share these things at all. A few years ago it would have been a dodgy copy of a copy of a copy on cassette, so MP3 is a godsend compared to that. In fact a 192kb MP3 sound desk is great quality, and I don't see the need for massive file sizes for these things. I'm with elusive on this one. If you're enjoyment is seriously hampered by these things then its a shame for you. I picked up the Fine Young Cannibals debut LP for a quid in a record shop about a year ago and it was as scratched as anything, quite poor sound quality, but I enjoyed it and it was only a quid. These mixes are FREE, if you think "it's practically a crime that these things are going around as mp3s. " then I think you sound like a spoiled brat. |
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theres fuck all decent lossless/flac electronica boots going around, im afraid...and most of them are badly sourced anyway.the best afx boot is probably "live at quarterfest 1997" and thats from tape :/ |
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first of all, where are the 192k mp3's going around? i've only seen 128 and lower. second, i am totally spoiled on flacs because they sound so much better. i don't understand why i shouldn't prefer better quality. my whole point with this is that it's like a huge tease to see 128k mp3s of something when you know someone's got it lossless. you can't understand that? |
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what do you play a .flac file with |
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you could use winamp if you just download the plugin. (i have a winamp equivalent on linux, xmms) it's great and easy |
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I just saved a wav file as a flac, and it's a little over half the size, which is still huge |
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yes, that's the right size. it's lossless, which is the whole point. |
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can't they make a vector based code for storing music, just like graphics? |
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big haha, i wish. but it's not as simple as that.. I've asked around, believe me - but they've already pushed down the data as much as they can. |
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vector music is called midi. to a certain extent trackers are vector based, however they use samples as well, so you aren't limited to one set of base sounds. vector music is possible i.e. make a track completely in reason for example, but obviously is limited to using a single bit of software, and of course as the file size is decreased, the processing power required to recreate it is increased. |
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I thought wav files were basically like vector graphics; that is, they use a bunch of points. |
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no wave files are analagous with bitmaps. they store the audio level every so often, so for example: CD quality 16bit, 44.1kHz stereo...... audio is digitised and the level at the instant of digitisation is converted to a 16 bit string. Then it is done again, then again, 44100 times per second. NB it is done twice, one for the left channel and one for the right. even if there is no sound, it will record 0000000000000000 for left and 0000000000000000 for right, so it is not optimised. a vector of silence would say: make no sound on left and right channel for x seconds. this short command would hardly take any space compared to lots of strings of 0's. hope that makes sense. |
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I'm with r40f on this. Why compress the fuck out of something that needs every ounce of it's audio presence to sound good? |
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must... Â resist... Â argument... |
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i figured as much, i guess representing music perfect digitally is like the holy grail for audioequipment builders. my visualisation of a wave file was like a sinus which wasnt perfect but made of all these small stair steps however. but isn't this correct though because is the information in this 16 (or 8 per channel) bit string at such a small interval of music just frequency and volume? and is a cd playing through your stereo like watching a movie, with the same bit of information until the next still of frequency and volume er, how come the 44100 intervals happens to correspondend to the frequency range of the sound coming from your stereo, because that's what 44100 khz means right? |
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giginger If you was that sencitive about audio bitrate you wouldn't listen to the xltronic radio. |
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dog_belch it means they do an act either together, or one after the other. |
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yeah, but midi files don't have anything to do with vector graphics, which is what big was suggesting. |
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Never mind. I'm sure we all know the differences between midi, vector based graphics, and wave files—or if not, we can look them up on our own if the subject ever comes of interest, which it wont. It is such a bother to articulate inane and obvious ideas. I hereby retire from communication, even with myself. *drools* |
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