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I just had the best idea for, ooh, a couple of days. You know how the other day we, as a Zilty collective, were getting het up about the new "devaluing of music" and people downloading Zingabytes of music without appreciating it.. blah de blah de blah... what obviously has to change is our perception of music. Now, the album has long been regarded as the pinnacle of music delivery, it's something to treasure, to revisit, to reappraise ten years down the line, something to keep.... But now, living, as we do, in the future... Disposable Albums. One play, that was great, thanks! Chao, on to the next.... is that a bad thing? I am kind of excited by the idea, one off albums. Like a stick of gum, a can of beer, a tissue or a condom... use it once, that was nice, and goodbye. I think, in this era of cultural overload, what I am proposing is a good idea. |
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what do you want me to do? |
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wait I got it. |
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I think it's a great idea, in fact I've been trying to come up with some sort of comparable idea for a while.. something I read in an interview with Dimitri Fergadis (Phthalocyanine) was talking about whether CDR releases were a statement of disposability or transience in the music. He said no, that his stuff was eternal.. haha. But the question set me thinking along the lines of temporary music, much like your idea. If you decide to run with this, I'd be happy to help in whatever way I can. |
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its a good idea - but what is the reason for tossing the album? there must be some kind of self-destruction automated in the record, or else there is no reason to throw it away. the only way to do that is mold the interior of the vinyl out of plastic explosives instead of vinyl. for example, 8:50 into gantz graf's cap.iv the grooves are made of plastic explosives. as the needle scratches the area, your whole deck explodes, sending pieces of vinyl everywhere including your face. probably a bad idea for skratch records |
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Thats just it, the grand conceit of the album being "eternal", no matter what's on it. ... There's a place, sure, for "Classic Albums"... I just wonder if there's a place also for bite-size, one off, disposable albums. Like someone telling you a good joke, you don't need to hear it again. |
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I don't know what music would fit this format. It would be like a bizarre stimulant, only capable of really imprinting itself on you once. An interesting concept, although a tad difficult to conceive. |
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It need'nt explode or self destruct, though that would be a novelty to rival coloured vinyl or gatefold sleeves, I just think it should be made clear on the sleeve that this work is intended for one use only. |
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I LIKE IT!!! |
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i just listened to the new prefuse, and now im going to go play frisbee |
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I know this is a joke so I won't reply seriously. |
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party up in here! |
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im going to play my skam frisbee then bin it. |
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Then I guess we can all breathe easier. |
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I don't see it as a joke, I think it's a great idea. I mean, I don't think it should be necessarilydisposable, any more than a used candy wrapper explodes on its own. You can keep it if you so desire, but it's made to be used once or twice and discarded. If you develop an emotional attachment to it, then keep it. I want to make some disposable music now. |
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The idea is great! but... Pietrobot was there first 8 ( the criteria being: 1. Am I a 'one off' by listening to this. 2. Is it called something that no one would care to remember 3. it's throwaway |
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Cant you see??? He wont reply seriously to that! |
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make the record or cd bio-degradeable, so in 6 months it turns into dust / compost I see what you mean with disposable music, ive been here regular for about 1 week and have downloaded shit loads, doubt if I will play much of it again. |
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The very act of collecting music naturally brings you closer to this in reality. The more music you own the less time you have available to listen to everything. Music then becomes disposable by default. How many of John Peel's records were played only once? Thusly all music is disposable and any perceived permanence is merely an illusion. |
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a more realistic, more environment-friendly, more easily realisable and maybe better (though less appealing) idea would be to have websites where you could listen to albums once for free, in streaming or something. |
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okay - much less appealing. |
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The idea of "disposable music" is an extension of throwaway culture and is therefore disgusting because of its consequences for the environment. If this idea were to be released in MP3 form, it would be more tolerable, but still absurd and sickening.. Why would anyone put any decent amount of effort into a release that they wanted people to listen to just once? Such a trend of music production and composition would lead to an accellerated deterioration of the quality of contemporary music. Some would say that that's exactly what netlabels have done. dog_belch is one of these people, therefore I draw the conclusion that this thread is a joke, mocking the state of music today and especially music released on netlabels. Otherwise, for the reasons outlined above, it's an absurd, ignorant and proudly stupid idea. |
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i quite agree with you. especially about the environment point (that's what i was saying two posts above), and "Why would anyone put any decent amount of effort into a release that they wanted people to listen to just once?"... very good point. |
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actually, before i read this topic, from the title i thought it would be about albums that were enjoyable the first, or the first few plays, then got boring... this "disposable album" idea might seem interesting for a "listen once for cheap before you buy for good" purpose (i'm doing this with mp3s for free now but i don't know if mp3 downloading will last for very long), but it would lead to terrible results if people intend to release albums in this format only. it would be only music that would appeal immediately and get boring extremely quickly... even worse than "summer hits"... yikes. (excuse my multiposting and very slow train of thought, my brain is kind of sleepy.) |
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music for me is kept, I buy 95% of it (yeah yeah fucking idiot I know) and I like having a whole range of music for whatever mood. music for most people isnt disposable Im suppousing attitudes change to music if you can download it at the cost of waiting 5 minutes? |
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wouldn't the easiest thing be to save music on food? |
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Excellent! You'd get Paul Newman to listen to hundreds of tunes and then chop him up into oven-ready pieces. |
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I bet bryan ferry would taste... aaahh bisto |
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we're going into business immediately! |
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Have you been to a Lakeside darts tournament? I went with my mates and it's a piss up beyond belief! |
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I could bet! great atmosphere too. unfortunately I havent been, like to though |
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thank you. these days i'm going to go for quality over quantity in terms of xlt posting. the opposite happened, in a big way, a while ago. j4ck: as dog_belch stated in the topic, You know how the other day we, as a Zilty collective, were getting het up about the new "devaluing of music" and people downloading Zingabytes of music without appreciating it.. Yes, . And I'd have to say, I'd agree with the BBC article linked to from that xlt thread. |
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I'm not joking, I am fairly serious. I believe that most commercial music is some form of compromise, some albums are more blatant than others. Then, another aspect is, how many "well known artists" have shit loads of rocking good stuff that they don't want to / can't release because either they or their label think it'll tarnish their image / career trajectory. Why not release things like that... "once", something that was a one off, something to put the "special" back in Special Edition... think of one off events, live gigs, happy accidents, ... I think it is time to challenge the notion of "releases", albums etc. It's not so much about being throwaway, as so much music is, specially in the Avant IDM net sphere, as Jivvers touched upon, so mucah as recognising that, say, if you're "releasing" some MP3 album, it's not an album album proper, but that's fine, it's a one off music hit, and there's nothing to be ashamed of. |
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I'm not joking, I am fairly serious. I believe that most commercial music is some form of compromise, some albums are more blatant than others. Then, another aspect is, how many "well known artists" have shit loads of rocking good stuff that they don't want to / can't release because either they or their label think it'll tarnish their image / career trajectory. Why not release things like that... "once", something that was a one off, something to put the "special" back in Special Edition... think of one off events, live gigs, happy accidents, ... I think it is time to challenge the notion of "releases", albums etc. > i can see the point, but that would be immensely frustrating o_o imagine if you had a disc like that... that you could play only once... personally i'd wait forever for the "right" time to play it, and then maybe i'd want to listen to it or to a particular track again and i'd get sad/frustrated because i couldn't. |
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But isn't that better than getting tired of a record.. one of the saddest feelings available to man. |
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correct me if i'm wrong, but from where i see it, you're backpeddling at a rate of knots here. Why not release things like that... "once", something that was a one off, something to put the "special" back in Special Edition... think of one off events, live gigs, happy accidents, ... I think it is time to challenge the notion of "releases", albums etc. That, to me, is exactly what a "special release" is, and your idea adds nothing to the idea. Special releases are usually limited in number, because, as you mentioned, the record company doesn't want to gamble too much on it or on the artist's/company's image. So they're released in limited number, for fanatics and obsessives to snatch up, which they do - the record company recoups their profits without any risk, and everything's cosher (spelling?). Also, Then, another aspect is, how many "well known artists" have shit loads of rocking good stuff that they don't want to / can't release because either they or their label think it'll tarnish their image / career trajectory. Why should this "rocking good stuff" be limited to only one listening opportunity? [it is] recognising that, say, if you're "releasing" some MP3 album, it's not an album album proper, but that's fine, it's a one off music hit, and there's nothing to be ashamed of. That's how I, and I think the majority of people, perceive mp3 releases. They are however, also perceived as an alternative and handy way to break through, to make one's name known, if the music is good enough (since word spreads). If this is what you have a problem with, the.... commercial ambitions of artists releasing on netlabels... then please explain it. What's wrong with having such ambitions? Why look down upon people's dreams of underground fame? |
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You're getting me wrong, I don't have a problem, I am just saying that it seems to me, let's say people releasing music on the internet, they kind of rush ahead and say they're releasing an "album" or "ep" and all the connotations that comes with those terms. But they're outdated terms of reference, why not wholly move on, hey, here's a collection of mp3s, tomorrow I might add some more, I might take some down... fluid... ephemeral... fleeting, like catching the eye of some hot minx or finding a fiver outside the offie... this labouring to say "Buy my new album".... we have enough albums to last us 10 lifetimes. |
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You're getting me wrong, I don't have a problem, I am just saying that it seems to me, let's say people releasing music on the internet, they kind of rush ahead and say they're releasing an "album" or "ep" and all the connotations that comes with those terms. But they're outdated terms of reference, why not wholly move on, hey, here's a collection of mp3s, tomorrow I might add some more, I might take some down... fluid... ephemeral... fleeting, like catching the eye of some hot minx or finding a fiver outside the offie... Yes, I agree wholeheartedly with that. Who's going to have the gall to call a spade a spade though? there are also some things to be considered: "mp3album" retains the connotations and expectations of the word 'album' "netrelease" a bit clumsy, especially if used with the verb 'release' fucked if i'm coining a word at almost 2am. |
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Looks like BIYC has sparked off a revolution in how we view music and netlabels in particular. bravo, Chris! |
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You're not going to bed until you've solved this net distributed music based quandry. |
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it's times like these I really wish I knew latin. |
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I was going to add to this but I should go to bed. |
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guys, technically we already have this. it's called exclusive sets/songs played on the radio (streaming, real, whatever). |
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Problem solved, everyone to bed, BOING!!!! |
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that's nowhere near to the topic as I see it. |
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omg its analord 12! let me listen to it again! wait, i can't, because it's FUCKING DISPOSAL VINYL |
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to a point. okay, analysing what "disposable albums" means; the point to the original post as far as i can interpret, it's basically bringing back the magic into listening to music; in this case, you listen to it once, and as a listener really appreciating it because that's the only damn time you're going to hear it. once-off broadcast mediums achieve exactly that (although, arguably less these days given people can easily save broadcasts, and people often rely on "oh, i'll get the recording of that later"). |
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im sure there would be some nifty ripping technique involved to extract the audio for future listens |
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But, to be fair, there's still an extra "thrill" to be had hearing it live, or at least, when it's first broadcast. |
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but isn't that the case anyway |
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