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OK subject; venetian snares' beats. To me, they blow my mind and i dont know how the hell he does it. people say, you need practise, but im listening to bonitival right now and i have no idea how anyone could produce such stuff. I do make music, but it's not very advanced at all, so perhaps i just can't comprehend doing any beats like v snares' because thats just my IQ level. i don't know! someone guide me in the right direction here please. thanks. |
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up there on the left |
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more time. |
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A good sample base. |
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I'm not really talking about the samples, more of the complexity and timing... hmm |
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make a beat, cut and paste like a lunatic and at the end, double the bpm. easy. also, trackers are good for making snares drill. i think he used to (still uses?) trackers? |
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I like staz's comments, they are all short but very effective. |
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I'm an obsessed guy about software so yes, i know what tracker he uses... But this is just it, he doesn't just cut and jumble them around only to double up the bpm afterwards.. even though the beats are crazy he makes, they are extremly well arranged and they flow well with reoccuring (short)patterns, otherwise it would sound like shit. point being, im still wondering how someone can get that good. Leftfield is kind of my level on beats, i understand them, and i can immitate them also. Venetiation snares, i dont know where the hell i am at. Now, im not saying i copy them, but trying to do complex beats like that is just skill, and trying to do such complex beats is one of the tasks i set myself to improve, ( e.g. leftfield ) but i dont know how i could improve to that manner, hmm, maybe i just need to take a step back and just do lots of experimenting with my sequncer. |
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tridenti yes he does have a good point. i just need to get in there and get my hands dirty, i've not really done THAT much beat programming. The other day i made fuckloads of crazy samples with vokator (its an awesome vst, check it out ).. so i should just make lots of experiments with those. I can make melodies fine though, i have been practising the keyboard and can slightly play fur elise by beethoven! |
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your sense of what feels "right" in drum programming increases as you spend more and more time trying and succeeding/failing. so always practice. |
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Yes, I'm going with Staz here. Put some years into it and you'll see results.. |
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Thanks for your replies, but back on track.. v snares beats are the most complex i've ever heard, anyone else heard as complex? or any other perticular artists with very good beats ( not complex, but good use of stereo imaging etc ) |
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feel and groove. you really don't have to practice for five years if you know how to use the equipment and how you want it to sound. of course you could spend five years analyzing snares tracks and try to emulate his sound with your equipment, but that's just stupid. |
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I used to worry about how people do the chopped up beat thing then I downloaded a Buffer Override plugin and now I have produced over 100 albums on the Planet Mu label. |
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Drukqs pisses all over Snares though. |
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hahahahaha |
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haha, buffer override is the blast. i ruined a couple of tracks myself with that 'instrument' when i first discovered it, among them a liveset i did. now it just sounds crap. silly effect. or, actually, i think skink used it in a nice way with the liveset he posted a while ago, with 'no good' track and the others |
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I've made a nice squarepusher preset for BO, it sounds quite good actually, generates the squelchy sounds you hear in Tundra4 when you put it on breaks. |
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i love buffer override, it pops up quite often in drukqs and go plastic. |
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if we think of the same thing, i think i can make the same 'effect' with my boss sampler |
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if you are cool, you can program the similar effect in the tracker (or your sequencer) ;) i don't feel i have the same control with the BO and it's interface |
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there are beats that are more complex. go listen to some richard devine. and really the drill beats stuff really is just practice. I remember like 5 years ago when I started to make music I would almost go mad listening to drukqs because I simply didn't get it how he did it. but after all these years I've developed a feel for it and I can very easily make those type of beats. it's pratice my friend. sometimes it pisses me of that people just want to know a trick or something that will instantly give them what they want. I've heard it a million times on message boards. especially of those breakcore kids who are just starting out to make music. and they go like "hey I have 10 gb of samples and vsti this and vsti that but I still can't make beats like veneitan snares." seriously though. it's not about your 10 gb of samples or the vsti's. people are getting very lazy these days. do you think snares just instantly got where he's at now? it's a long way to yonder. and that coming from me. that says allot. if I where you I'd stay away from those fancy plugins. |
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yeah, it can be a bit hard. but as long as you midi control it you can do lots of wicked stuff. |
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i highly doubt you can make beats close to drukqs complexity, but you're welcome to try. make an example! anyway, richard devine making complex beats? mostly it's just two-three simple patterns in something like reaktor and then just tweaking knobs to change the sounds around. |
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I honestly don't find drukqs THAT complex. but the programming is VERY clever and thight. it's actually the way he programmes his melodies or basslines together with his breaks is what makes it sound complex. but the beats on their own aren't that complex. (imo ofcourse) but there probably the best I've heard. I wasn't really refering to drukqs when I said I could do it. but more just drill type beats. but I'll give it a try though. *browses 909 808 sample library* |
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wait, when I said drukqs was that complex I was purely talking about the beats. not the complete tracks |
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yeah, well, it all hangs together. just writing a beat isn't going to capture the "feel". |
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indeed, that's what makes drukqs so good and probably timeless. I couldn't make a track like drukqs no, but beats like drukqs...maybe. |
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Give it a try, I'd like to hear. |
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me too |
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I should've shut my mouth |
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Yes, but you didnt! So now you must face the crowd! |
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hahaha,i wanna hear this now |
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Just post the link to your isme track (tagged fdes3) and it is job done. :) |
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not a bad idea actually. listen to this untill I whip up something new. it isn't as complex as drukqs but that was never the intent. but I'm working on something right now for you guys to rip apart. |
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very nice indeed sir |
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It's nothing like drukqs at all though |
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It's more like mangle, but even though the drum sounds aren't similar the programming isn't massively different. The beats on drukqs aren't that complex but you can't really seperate them from the rest of the track...everything is interwoven which is what makes Aphex so great. |
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here you go, 16 sec of aphex beats. I think I spend a bit more then an hour on it. could be better. but I'm a bit lazy. |
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oh if anyone wants to ad an acid bassline or whatnot be my guest. 175 bpm |
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I think you need to know your breaks really well and then just practice cutting them up, so you can become able to think up complex patterns and make them, as opposed to cutting it up and seeing what happens. |
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An hour on that? strange. |
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this sounds like retriggered samples and nothing more, man |
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yeah well, searching together some samples, mixing a bit bla bla bla i dunno the actual programming didn't take that long I guess. besides time passes very quickly when making music. for me atleast. :) |
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ok euhm... yeah..... *runs* |
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1/32 and triple 1/64 |
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to cut back on that smelly tall longhaired canadian guy: Snares's beats arent that mega complex. When i listen to snares, all i hear is this single sequence of beats, constantly looped, with some parameters changed, some different samples here and there, some different effects, etc etc. Listen to tracks like Where's Bill, and you'll understand what i mean. It's not that special, but very effective |
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That was pretty cool... would you be interested in collaborating on a couple tracks? (or even just one?) My strength lies in melodies and playing (piano), but I suck at beats. If you could do something like those aphex beats for about 3-4 minutes that would be excellent. |
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Fah im talking more long the lines of, Bezcitny, Hmm, but now you come to mention it (comparing it with aphex twins drukqs) it isn't that complex, i closely listened to Mt Saint Michel Mix and and its a lot faster than most of v snares, but i still think very highly of the complexty of the beats he does ( even though they may be slower than some of afx's drum programming ) |
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Zephyr Twin Same here, ( well i doubt as good as you on piano, im not that great ) but even though it would be cool to collaborate a track with the guy, in my opinion it is pointless, i get a lot of self satisfaction out of making my own stuff. This isn't to say you shouldn't, im just saying that if you try hard (and anyone can do it if they really want to) then we could be good at beats just like he is, if better with practise. It shows you have quite a persistance anyway with your piano skills. |
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