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offline Combo from Sex on 2006-01-11 04:35 [#01816020]
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When i tyr to cue some records, the weight i push on the
vinyl with my hand to prevent it from turning has to be VERY
VERY weak if i don't want the record to skip. That's a
problem for me, i can't usually cue properly without
skipping a few times before i really grab the beat...
On the other hand I don't want to put too much weight an the
armtone in order not to fuck my vinyls up.

Advices ?


 

offline KADO from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-11 04:40 [#01816024]
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Set anti skating to 0

Weight has to be just right, too heavy or too light can
cause it to skip


 

offline staplemouth on 2006-01-11 04:41 [#01816025]
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try checking if the records are slightly bent or distorted
as well


 

online big from lsg on 2006-01-11 04:42 [#01816026]
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cd player


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-01-11 04:48 [#01816034]
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Sounds like you have crap turntables or parkinson hands...


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2006-01-11 06:37 [#01816094]
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get used to being gentle with your records...and set your
anti-skating to 2


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-11 06:48 [#01816098]
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what cartridges did you get?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-11 06:48 [#01816099]
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anti-skate should be the same as the weight when listening
and 0 when scratching.


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-01-11 13:49 [#01816453]
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i've got mk2 + ortofon concorde pro


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-01-11 14:21 [#01816508]
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Hell all of you give different advices for antiskating !

What is the use of this function ??


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-11 15:34 [#01816612]
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I have no idea what you're doing wrong then...


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-01-11 15:36 [#01816620]
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probably a weight problem but i don't want to damage vinyls,

let me try anyway with a crappy one


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-11 15:37 [#01816622]
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yeah, set the weight higher and the anti-skate to 0. you
haven't got that small extra weight attached, have you?


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-01-11 15:38 [#01816623]
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well actually it depends on the records... i've just tried
with a not very good track and i cued it fine !!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-11 15:54 [#01816635]
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but that little weight isn't attached, right?


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-01-11 15:57 [#01816638]
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yes it it


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-01-11 15:58 [#01816639]
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why ???


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-11 16:03 [#01816644]
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it shouldn't be on with the ortofons. take it off...

the only weight you're supposed to have on is the large one
that you twist.. the one with the numbers and stuff.. the
other one (see illustration) shouldn't be on.


Attached picture

 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-01-11 16:11 [#01816649]
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waoh i didn't know thanx a lot ! should i start all the
configurating process without it ?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-12 02:37 [#01816777]
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Not to be unkind, but if you've got mk2s & concordes and the
problem occurs on both decks, it's either your technique or
the way you have it setup.

As you have concordes, it's going to be the deck (no
possibility headshell/cart alignment/overhang problem). Make
sure the table/whatever they're on is secure and robust (a
mate had a wallpaper pasting style folding table that rocked
about when you scratched and wondered why it was skipping!)
If the anti-skate/tonearm is setup correctly and your
speakers aren't right next to/on the same surface as your
decks, it's your technique.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-12 04:25 [#01816828]
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I think it's sorted.. he just had that little extra weight
on.


 

online big from lsg on 2006-01-12 04:35 [#01816841]
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aw, hot cute


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-12 05:54 [#01816916]
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Do you put your counterweight on backwards or forwards, out
of interest?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-12 06:09 [#01816926]
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I put it on forwards.. can't see how it should help putting
it on backwards.. does it get half an inch closer or
something?


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-01-12 06:10 [#01816927]
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Forwards here too...


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-12 11:55 [#01817207]
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Some people reckon it reduces skipping when scratching, but
I'm sceptical.

I almost forgot to post this link. It's designed
for Shure m-447s on tech12s, but a lot of info is pertinent
to other carts/decks.


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2006-01-12 12:19 [#01817256]
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WRONG

i have the additional screw on weight between the headshell
and the cartridge & the addtional weight on the tone arm
(the original black / silver weight is backwards due to my
hiphop upbringing) - this makes my tone arm much more solid
and harder to move by scratching etc etc...

just be careful that the arm is balanced correctly and you
dont hurt your records !


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-12 12:32 [#01817267]
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ortofons are too light for the weight. the
"put-weight-on-when-it's-over-10-grams" rule only applies to
things that have to be attached to the headshell that comes
with the 1210s.. ortofons come with their own headshell-ish
thingie for better performance.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-12 12:34 [#01817271]
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I can't see why it should do anything at all.. I think it's
psychological... the only effect would be that more of the
weight could be shifted towards the pivot point (approx the
difference between the backside and the sloped front and
plastic dial, if that makes sense), and I don't think we're
talking large numbers here...


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-12 13:17 [#01817300]
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Yep, the weight near the pivot point is the only benefit I
can see and even that probably wouldn't make much difference
(if you deduct 2g from the tracking force you enter to
offset this). You see some people doing it at DMC, but I
think that's largely part of the showmanship, "Wow, check
this guy out, he's changing the decks around since the last
guy, he must be good!" :)


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-12 17:41 [#01817580]
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well, I did a search, and with the limited amount of
relevant information returned on google, this was the only
reason I can find:

Tip – a lot of people put the counter-weight on
backwards so they can wean out a little more weight from
it.


I'd like to measure that difference.. I don't think it's
much, and with the ortofons, it isn't necessary...


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-12 17:47 [#01817583]
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the ortofon scratches are sick, althougH I recorded
something tonight and noticed that one one cartridge the
left channel is slightly (about 0.5db) quieter than the
right. You can't notice it when you're listening, but still
I would like it to be perfect. Any ideas?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-12 18:29 [#01817601]
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hmm.. that sounds weird...

check all the cables and see if they're on straight... other
than that, maybe cleaning that contact base thingie where
the stylus meets the headshell? it says what to use and what
not to in the manual...

other than that, it's not hard to compensate using the gains
and channel faders...


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2006-01-12 18:31 [#01817603]
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get fucked


 


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