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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 06:03 [#01814528]
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apparently theres some big guy in the sky with a beard who made the world etc.
exists? Y/N opinions.....
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-01-09 06:06 [#01814534]
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yes, and he made this place really wonderful. jav..
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-01-09 06:06 [#01814535]
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It's a woman. And she is black.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 06:07 [#01814536]
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and naked
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staplemouth
on 2006-01-09 06:14 [#01814539]
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I'll be honest, I think of myself as Christian (i'm not baptised though) [tautology!@?@#]
but you can believe whatever you want, if it doesn't harm others then it doesn't bother me I suppose
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-01-09 06:17 [#01814541]
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personal faith i have no problem with.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-09 06:18 [#01814542]
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yeah.. the problem is too few schoolboys.
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staplemouth
on 2006-01-09 06:18 [#01814543]
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Actually yeah, I really can't stand it when people force their faiths down people's throats all the time.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-09 06:20 [#01814545]
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just as bad if the faith is science or atheism.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 06:21 [#01814546]
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yeah, religion is ok unless
a) you believe it literally e.g. believe the bible is actually completely true
b) you try to convert people and force-feed religion e.g. those american TV evengelist bastards.
richard dawkins is on TV this week in the UK!!!! (just about sums up my thoughts on religion)=
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staz
on 2006-01-09 06:47 [#01814560]
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god is a woman and my mom she is a witch
i
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nacmat
on 2006-01-09 07:53 [#01814622]
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there is no god, there is no other life...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-01-09 07:57 [#01814627]
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that's easy to say now spanish inqusition is out of bussiness.
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nacmat
on 2006-01-09 08:00 [#01814629]
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hahahaha true that
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Sclah
from Freudian Slipmat on 2006-01-09 08:07 [#01814632]
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IDM is God
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 08:13 [#01814636]
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you mean Insane Dog Monkeys
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-09 08:44 [#01814651]
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"just as bad if the faith is science or atheism."
Silly man, science is a methodology for discovering regularities in nature, not a faith. Are you sure you're not thinking of naturalism? Science is limited to nature as its sphere of investigation but makes no claims as to the non-existence of things beyond its sphere. (though of course particular scientists may also be philosophical naturalists who make such claims)
And atheism is a personal position of nonbelief with respect to the particular definite descriptions of God, not a system of thought, faith, methodology or ideology. My own position could be called atheistic but not faithful or dogmatic as I am perfectly open to new evidence that could change it - it's a provisional judgement based on the best available evidence at the time.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-01-09 08:46 [#01814653]
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i think you read that wrong..it was put in a different context, but hey, nice read there.
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uzim
on 2006-01-09 08:48 [#01814655]
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even if people really "discovered", with proof and all, something that could be called "god", maybe it wouldn't settle the question.
there would be people who would say it's not god, and still believe in their vision of "god", people who would just simply deny it, etc.
and just the term "god" can lead to confusions and quarrels about what it really defines.
by the way - "can god build a mountain so high that even he couldn't climb it?"
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-09 08:49 [#01814656]
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Yeah maybe. Sorry, this thing has a hair trigger.
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uzim
on 2006-01-09 08:52 [#01814660]
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believing in god as an adult could be the same thing as believing in santa claus, in the easter bunny, in that your parents can do everything, etc as a child...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-01-09 08:54 [#01814664]
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well, there's the bible and jesus christ..but there are also santa clus children books so yes, i know nothing..
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-09 08:55 [#01814665]
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and just the term "god" can lead to confusions and quarrels
about what it really defines.
Yes - a common trick of theists is to say that God is being itself, therefore existence is evidence of God. I think the best you can get from that is naturalistic pantheism a la Lao Tzu or Spinoza, which is in my mind indistinguishable from naturalism plus a sense of awe - it doesn nothing to establish the existence of e.g. Jehovah or Ahura Mazda as conscious, purposive entities with their particular characters and natures.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-09 08:58 [#01814666]
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believing in god as an adult could be the same thing as believing in santa claus, in the easter bunny, in that your parents can do everything, etc as a child...
There are coarse and subtle readings of any myth. Only the dumbest fundie yokels see God as a big guy in the sky. But there's lots of them. :shudder:
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-09 09:02 [#01814674]
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I genuinely believe that's a picture of Fleetmouse.
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 10:25 [#01814758]
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I only care for me. Anybody else can go to hell.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2006-01-09 12:46 [#01814830]
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Google give you all the answers you need:
Is There A God? Offering Six Straight Forward Reasons To Believe In God
Weight Loss For Dummies. The Idiot proof Diet. No Calorie counting. Buy ebook.
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stefano_azevedo
from Pindorama (Brazil) on 2006-01-09 12:56 [#01814831]
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get that santa cap off xmas is gone
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-01-09 12:58 [#01814832]
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dunno if a god exists or has existed or not but... imho no !
and if it existed, it would have nothing to do with christianism, islam, judaism, etc.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-09 13:08 [#01814836]
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so far, you're all wrong.
First of all, the earth is a flat disk. This disk is situated in the branches of the world tree, or Yggdrasil. Asgard, where the gods live, was located at the centre of the disc, and can only be reached by walking across the rainbow (the Bifröst bridge). The Giants live in an abode called Jötunheimr (giant realm). A cold, dark underground abode called Niflheim is ruled by Hel, daughter of Loki. According to the Prose Edda, this is the eventual dwelling-place of most of the dead. Located somewhere in the south is the fiery realm of Muspell, home of the fire giants. Further otherworldly realms include Álfheim, home of the light-elves (ljósálfar), Svartálfaheim, home of the dark-elves. In between Asgard and Niflheim is Midgard, the world of men (see also Middle Earth).
There are three "clans" of deities, the Æsir, the Vanir, and the Iotnar. The distinction between Æsir and Vanir is relative, for the two are said to have made peace, exchanged hostages, intermarried and reigned together after a prolonged war, which the Æsir had finally won.
In addition, there are many other supernatural beings: Fenrir the gigantic wolf, and Jörmungandr the sea-serpent (or "worm") that is coiled around the world. These two monsters are described as the progeny of Loki, the trickster-god, and a giant. More benevolent creatures are Hugin and Munin (thought and memory), the two ravens who keep Odin, the chief god, apprised of what is happening on earth, and Ratatosk, the squirrel which scampers in the branches of the world ash, Yggdrasil, which is central to the conception of this world.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-09 13:08 [#01814837]
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In the beginning there was the world of ice Niflheim, and the world of fire Muspelheim, and between them was the Ginnungagap, a "grinning (or yawning) gap," in which nothing lived. In Ginnungagap, the fire and the ice met, and the fire of Muspelheim licked the ice shaping a primordial giant Ymir and a giant cow, Auðumbla whose milk fed Ymir. The cow licked the ice, creating the first god, Búri, who was the father of Borr, in turn the father of the first Æsir, Odin, and his brothers Vili and Ve. Ymir was a hermaphrodite and alone procreated the race of giants. Then Borr's sons; Odin, Vili, and Ve; slaughtered Ymir and, from his body, created the world.
The gods regulated the passage of the days and nights, as well as the seasons. The first human beings were Ask (ash) and Embla (elm), who were carved from wood and brought to life by the gods Odin, Hœnir/Vili, and Lóðurr/Vé. Sol is the goddess of the sun, a daughter of Mundilfari, and wife of Glen. Every day, she rides through the sky on her chariot, pulled by two horses named Alsvid and Arvak. This passage is known as Alfrodull, meaning "glory of elves," which in turn was a common kenning for the sun. Sol is chased during the day by Skoll, a wolf that wants to devour her. Solar eclipses signify that Skoll has almost caught up to her. It is fated that Skoll will eventually catch Sol and eat her; however, she will be replaced by her daughter. Sol's brother, the moon, Mani, is chased by Hati, another wolf. The earth is protected from the full heat of the sun by Svalin, who stands between the earth and Sol. In Norse belief, the sun did not give light, which instead emanated from the manes of Alsvid and Arvak.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 13:15 [#01814840]
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is this true
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-09 13:18 [#01814842]
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of course - it's a proven fact.
my favorite part is when the cow licks the ice and creates the first god.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-09 13:19 [#01814843]
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btw, Ginnungagap really rocks.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 13:23 [#01814847]
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this is fantastic-this means god is cool.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-09 13:25 [#01814850]
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yeah, one of the gods is cool. cool as ice...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-09 13:40 [#01814870]
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We will always remember the day Father Arf brought us the truth of the World Tree.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 13:45 [#01814877]
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im so happy
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-01-09 13:48 [#01814878]
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the big guy in the sky with a beard made naked women. halleluyah.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-09 14:06 [#01814897]
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i'm of the opinion that there is no big guy in the sky with a beard who made the world.
if this proves incorrect, i'm looking into a deathbed conversion.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-01-09 14:08 [#01814900]
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we come to the question again : who made big bang ?
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2006-01-09 14:10 [#01814905]
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well some guy comes in looking a bit like everyone i ever seen. he moves just like crisco disco, breath 100% listerine. he says looking at something else, but directing everything to me:
"anytime anyone gets on their knees to pray, well it makes my telephone ring. and i'll be damned", he said, "you were right. no one's running this whole thing."
he had a theory too. he said that god takes care of himself, god takes care of himself, and you of you.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-09 14:14 [#01814912]
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i could go on and on about that. in fact, i already have. so i'd just like to say that i think that's a very good question...
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-01-09 14:45 [#01814947]
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accoring to christian's the world is only 10,000 years old
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-09 15:04 [#01814962]
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does god wear clothes,and if so were does he buy them
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-09 15:18 [#01814970]
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you mean, "according to some christians..."
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-01-09 15:31 [#01814980]
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i define a christian as a person who takes the bible as literal truth
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-01-09 15:32 [#01814982]
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i dont really know if i believe in god, sometimes i strongly do somethings i strongly do not
but, either way, i do not htink the universe was an accident
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-09 16:25 [#01815029]
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???
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-01-09 16:31 [#01815030]
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thank you.
so, are we ready for conclusions and naked ladies ?
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