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so - i recently listened very much richard devine with my girlfriend who is a very talented person when it comes to graphical arts - movies etc. she tolde me that she never heard something like this before - that someone can actually tell a story through sounds and music. she started to tell me the things she imagines listening to various tracks of him. afterwards i played some confield tunes - with the same effect. the thing i started to think about is - did the artists think the same? i mean is that really an effect of turning visual information into sound? or is that all bullshit? and how about other weird technical aspects artists talk about? i read almost every autechre and devine interview - and they always say things like - - that is made completely with algorythmic patterns - these are dodecahedronal beats - that song tells the story of a soldier in iraqi - this track is the sound interpretation of the colour black and i start to think - isn't that all bullshit they tell? i mean okay, listening to tunes of devine you can actually hear some weird sounds - but these are almost all just dsp effects and probably random generated sounds. the beats are 4/4 too, nothing really exceptional. - exactly like most of the autechre tunes. so is there really anything philosophic behind that music? |
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good question ! anyway i like your music too =) |
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cool combo ! for that post you get one of my new tracks completely for free ! |
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i would say no...it sounds like artfag bullshit i wonder what these artists think of soul music its over-thinking everything...the same way fashion snobs do... |
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that would be kind of sad - wouldn't be ? that idm consists just of faggy-randomly-generated-nonsens-pattern-geek-music |
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i think abstract music, unlike soul music, invites imaginitive interpretation, imagery and ideas. if you ask someone to say what they see in a rorschach blot, they will have far more to say than if you show them a picture of a tree and ask them to identify what's in the picture. i think overthinking is fundamental to being a human. well, maybe a few are prone to underthinking... |
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do you mind if I downeloade that, too? |
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overthinking is a bi-product of boredom if you had to survive like humans had to before the agricultural revolution you wouldnt have time for any of this shit and im not saying that idm JUST consists of that, sadist - idm has a LOT of beauty and freeform and so on |
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and not thinking at all is euphonicfucktard's mantra. |
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being an art-fuck...also...is not |
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i'm not sure i agree that overthinking is a byproduct of boredom. it seems to me that boredom is a symptom of underthinking. people who are often bored are often boring. the problem is free time. we need to get to work on a project, like building a pyramid or something. get our hands dirty. |
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yeah, thats actually a good idea you have a point about boredom... i just think a bunch of people who make annoying music that is algorythmic or dodecahedral and just talk and talk and overthink and overthink, it, is fucking lame look at jazz...amazingly complex but very spur of the moment not over processed... its as bad as the kids who are into hiphop over-dissecting that genre...yawn... |
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true about jazz, but it's not usually the musicians in either case who are overanalyzing the music, it's generally the fans. god knows a lot of bullshit has been written about jazz. one reviewer back in the day even called miles davis' seminal "kind of blue" album "maudlin." head over to my blog and check my extensive analysis of this critical misstep. |
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"i read almost every autechre and devine interview - and they always say things like - - these are dodecahedronal beats - that song tells the story of a soldier in iraqi - this track is the sound interpretation of the colour black " never read anything like that complete bollocks. this thread has too much shit in it to even begin to start shoveling. autechre at times bend over backwards to make their music non referential, could we lose the homophobia too please. |
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and you call yourself from very friendly! |
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AHHH GAY PEOPLE RUUUUUUUUUUUUUN !!!! youre right about jazz but thats the fans, as you said... electronic cats are the ARTISTS doing it...it would be like listening to miles davis moan on and on about his music he'd rather do heroin and chill...good man ! |
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this thread is stupid |
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I zpek for meshelf whne I say: I don't think! |
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as far as i'm concerned if you make something new it will provoke people depending on their character. the reactions say much more about the individual that the work of art. i'd argue against jazz being spontaneous too, it's no more spontaneous than a max patch, a musician still has to invest countless hours learning and practising to get to the position where the music can be generated. you analyse to learn, once you've learnt you synthesize using a different part of the brain. its natural. as to the analysis of material that is passed of as random, even a basic random number generator sounds completely predictable. elitist concerns only raise themselves when taste is used as an isolated indicator of identity, rather than a more robust barometer like morality. superfical. |
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thx dude !!! |
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of course they did. don't make me search for quotes. |
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"i'd argue against jazz being spontaneous too, it's no more spontaneous than a max patch" imho - the bond between a musical intrument and a human is much stornger than human and a computer environment. |
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a computer is an instrument like any other. |
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it's exactly the same, just a different instrument. keys and midi controls can be as expressive as keys on a piano. |
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Essentially music says the same things it has said since year one, or ear one, as the case may be. This thing of different instruments, computers, polygon rhythms, it's just new forms to deliver the same essential ideas in an engaging format. |
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computers weren't made to make music... |
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i mean we could go on like this for ours - it's near impossible for me to imagine a computer being as musical as an instrument. it's digital - never meant for making ANY sound at all. a fucking alien! |
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im behind sadist...no computer will ever be the instrument that was sam cooke's voice... no fucking way ! |
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On no account overreact now, will you? |
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By all means bring up soul and jazz and dubious notions of "authenticity". |
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neither was wood. |
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excellent answer |
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fuck me that was actually a VERY excellent answer - i don't know what to say |
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mho - the bond between a musical intrument and a human is much stornger than human and a computer environment. a computer is an instrument like any other. Agreed, computers are rad, no more limiting or flawed than a physical object with wind blowing through it, or vibrating strings. You're no more or less liberated, it wails equally. Plus you can't download porn on a trumpet. |
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since this thread has "philosophic" in the title, I will be very superficially philosophical right now. music isn't about the instruments it is played on, it's about the person making it. I made songs with screwdrivers and washing machines. |
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ouch that was not really the direction i wanted this topic to get... |
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well I think I'm gonna jump in. sometimes I think music is being overanalysed so much that it comepletly destroys its "musicness". sure music can have a meaning. that meaning (if there is one) comes in the first place from the creator of the song. the creator can send you in a direction with a songtitle, maybe some atmospheric sounds, lyrics, it depends. but when you look at autechre. or devine and their songtitles for example "gelk", "Sim gishel" or all of the others you can't really imagine what these things are. it's just guessing most of the time. have you ever seen a sim gishel? I know I haven't. so it's mostly up to the listener what he makes of it. another example is John Cage with his track "in a landscape". with the tracktitle he gives you a direction of where he wants you to go or think of when you listen to it. but what kind of landscape or where, is all up to you. so allot of it is just interpretation. but when I listen to "in a landscape" I don't think of landscapes. and also when richard devine says in an interview: "that is made completely with algorythmic patterns" "- these are dodecahedronal beats" will it make you listen to the song differently. I think dog_belch said it right that music says what it always has been saying but in a slightly different way. there is also this on going discussion about art always having to be explainable. I don't think so. sometimes there is a moment where you feel I dunno...it's hard to explain. ;) a moment where you just feel inspired or just wanting to express something that's in you without knowing what it is. but does that make it inferiour to an artwork where there is 300 pages of meaning to? I'd rather just talk about this then writing. so I'm gonna stop now |
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ok one more thing. sometimes I feel that they are just saying the stuff about their songs just because it never had a meaning at first. and by just inventing something they can explain it to others and to themselves probably. in an interview would you rather say "I made these shithot uberfucking complex beats because I think it's cool" or "well, I was inspired by a river that I saw on my trip to *insert country here* and I tryed to capture its essence" somehow I'm just overanalysing this myself. :) |
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Martin Amis once said that the same stories have been written over and over again, but that the style of writing changes, you know, whenever a James Joyce or JD Salinger type comes along. I would say that with music, the medium is often the message in a lot of ways. I think people like Brian Eno or Green Gartside or Aphex Twin have explored territory in music that gives you an ambivalent reaction. You're never really sure which emotions or reactions are appropriate, and eventually you stop caring. That, in my opinion is a relatively new thing. I tend to go on feeling rather than thinking when it comes to music. |
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1."afterwards i played some confield tunes - with the same effect. " - details please ? 2."isn't that all bullshit they tell?" - what kind of story do you expect behind autechre tracks mate ? |
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1. boner 2. love stories with your wife probably |
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1.combo = tridenti's dupe 2. who told you i'm married ? |
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1. m girlfriend having different ideas of pictures to the music 2. the truth :D - i mean something like - that song is me pooping, something more realistic |
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