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i'm thinking of making an album using "silent sound" and by that i mean raw vibrations that must be felt to be hurt, if you know what i mean. i wondering whether i could use a mixer or some sort of equalizer program to "Strip" the sound down to just ambient vibration. any ideas? |
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i'm thinking of making an album using "silent sound" and by that i mean raw vibrations that must be felt to be hurt, if you know what i mean. no. |
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yes...send that recording to mego and youll be a superstar... trusting you can actually pull it off !!! good luck |
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that's an interesting idea... i don't know if it's possible though. if you imagine a thing that vibrates, it makes a sound, yes, but you can't really feel the sound of it. you feel the vibration... |
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well, it's sort of a concept along the lines of music that's only listenable when you're deaf. because i remember reading somewhere that this Dj was doing a house set at a benefit for deaf kids, and they were all dancing in time with the music because they could feel the vibrations. i want to pull of something like that, something you have to feel rather than hear... |
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The range of human hearing is 20 to 20,000 Hz....I don't think much audio gear can produce levels low enough. So you would still have bass tones at least. You could experiment with finding tones that resonate a lot i guess, but then it would all depend on what your audience is listening with and the acoustics of the space they are in + You wouldn't be able to listen with headphones. |
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i think that's a really sweet concept, you shouldd definitely do it! |
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you just have to make it really loud to make things in the room vibrate though. |
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low sounds around 20 Khz, loud. check. |
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awesome |
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without the sound, there'll be no vibrations. so there'll be sound. so it won't be silent. as for the rest - this just sounds like you're trying to reinvent ambient music? or at least the stuff rroji ikeda does. waves increasing and decreasing in frequency, so that they clash or align with eachother, so there's this weird sort of rhythmic "feel" to it. |
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Why don't you just make some party jams? |
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you do that and I'll make annoying high-pitched music for dogs |
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I'd be cautious about mastering something like that. Extremely low frequencies, when amplified, specifically ones that are under 50hz can kill most home speakers, mid to low end monitors and headphones (I have heard that studio monitors that cost less that $20000 are most likely not going to be up to the task). |
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Bass tones with a quick attack envelope (eg. Slap bass) are the most harmful to your ears aswell...deaf kids might be able to take prolonged low frequencies at high amplitude but you can't, so be cautious with the volume if you are going to try anything + taxidermist is right also...don't blow all your stuff up. |
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elusives lungs will collapse. |
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deaf people can feel the vibrations anyway if it's loud enough, so that's not really the seventh wonder of the world. it's an interesting idea, but you have to consider the practical parts too: 1: very few people will have gear that allows them to feel it. 2: you can only publish the music in an uncompressed format. 3: it'll only be interesting for one or two songs. |
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good god, man, why don't you just rain on his fucking parade? |
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because I can't :( I was just saying that it doesn't seem very doable, making an entire album with nothing but low rumblings that only 1 out of 10 people will notice... |
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Being honest it sounds stupidly ill conceived being based on a misunderstanding of deaf people interpretation of sound through vibration. |
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stick to nerd bit hip 8 hop |
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Is deaf music going to be really loud, or really quiet? The best way is to slap them on the back of the head rhythmically. Audiophile sub sonic nonsense my arse. |
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ouch, that smarts! but rules are rules and i'm required to award you the points for the most accurate response. |
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If there's is a charity gig for the RNID coming up fancy going? |
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Pardon? |
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I want to see you playing bongo on some hearless persons noggin. |
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I'd love to whack a french loaf around a deaf ladies melon for a bit after a few beers, when's a good time for you? |
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quite keen about mentioning it is good to blow speakers to. What exactly DID happen when you performed it live? people to realise what sound can do. People stop talking, no matter how inattentive they are, for a start, and they stop going to bar. it's a real alcohol suppressant! When people see their shirts flapping, even though they can't really hear anything, they know something's up. The walls shake, all sorts of things start rattling, and hopefully, their subconscious is deprogrammed at bit =) his TAGC (The Anti Group Conspiracy) tracks "Teste Tones - 40 Hz". He never made the 40 Hz but you did, what is the difference? phenomenon called the Nyquist Frequency, one cannot. So what you hear on his record is just the overtones, not the fundamental. I used a WW2 sine wave generator. Huge thing. Took two people to lift it. When it was mastered at Abbey Road, they called a guy down from upsatirs that hadn't been in the cutting room for 25 years, who said it was, quote, "impossible", and then they cut it =) |
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yes, i didn't think it to be easy. i suppose i am expected to work on nerdcore all of my life. |
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i made some fast track that had portions in it made by playing with extremely low frequencies. they cancelled out all the other sounds.. really cool experience in headphones.. it was like the sound was being sucked out of the ears instead of going into them.. however, that track completely slayed my good headphones. precaution. |
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This is my new album, made up not of songs, but the ideas of songs. You are meant to think about each title for three minutes, apart from the last track which is 7 minutes. I haven't actually written the titles yet, but when I do I'll release the album in both downloadable txt format and streaming html media. |
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wtf cant make a 40hz tone on digital equipment ?? i though nyquist only affected sounds over a certain freq is that saying that they were using digital stuff with a sampl rate of < 80Hz ??? |
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Best buy a second hand Jungle/DnB/Grime soundsystem if you want to be able to hear the freqs properly. Good luck! :) |
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i'd like to use samples <20Hz in a track - these are inaudible but would cause stuff to shake around if played loud. around that frequency also lies the "brown note" which apparently makes you shit. |
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oh yeah, "**censored**" The brown note makes you need to have a poo. |
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Yeah, you could do that, but you'd have to trry damn harrd to make it interresting |
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" I recall Bullbaiting being from that trilogy. You are quite keen about mentioning it is good to blow speakers to. What exactly DID happen when you performed it live? Oh, but that track has been used many times to get people to realise what sound can do. People stop talking, no matter how inattentive they are, for a start, and they stop going to bar. it's a real alcohol suppressant! When people see their shirts flapping, even though they can't really hear anything, they know something's up. The walls shake, all sorts of things start rattling, and hopefully, their subconscious is deprogrammed at bit =) Adi Newton (who we will get to later) called one of his TAGC (The Anti Group Conspiracy) tracks "Teste Tones - 40 Hz". He never made the 40 Hz but you did, what is the difference? Because he tried to do it digitally, and because of a phenomenon called the Nyquist Frequency, one cannot. So what you hear on his record is just the overtones, not the fundamental. I used a WW2 sine wave generator. Huge thing. Took two people to lift it. When it was mastered at Abbey Road, they called a guy down from upsatirs that hadn't been in the cutting room for 25 years, who said it was, quote, "impossible", and then they cut it =) " heh, hafler trio strikes again |
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Well, if you are going to do this, there is really only one way to do it proper. 1) research the ABC box (driver/speaker enclosure); it is an amazing design 2) you'll be looking at sub 30hz frequencies. anything above that, meh, whatever. you want < 30 to get things started 3) if you are in your late teens or early 20s, stop playing with audio equipment if you are likely to get a spontaneous pneumothroax (lung collapsing is not fun, but it does get fun when the nurses are all interns/nurse-in-training from the local college ... wee) i stopped playing with bass for a while to make sure i wouldn't have any more lung collapsing. 4) if you really want to do this, the PROPER way to do it would be to build yourself an audio system ... make your music and master it on THAT system. To make an album like that would be impossible for everyone to get the full effect. Maybe do a couple live shows to showcase it (with your equipment of course) don't forget to read up on ABC enclosures ;) ;) ;) 5) bass? low freq? resonation / standing waves are your friend. Fs, etc. Enclosure is going to be most important. The driver/speaker is going to be important too. Keep in mind you will need quite a bit of x-max (excursion), but when dealing with ported boxes and the sort (standing backwaves) the driver will hardly move when properly tuned ;) this allows you to throw a lot more power at that res. freq. until you are out of x-max you might want to study Fourier Transforms, maybe not. since we are talking about sub 30Hz , those waves get VERY long 20hz is around 54ft per full cycle. youll need all these calculations to build your proper "room" and heavily re-inforce it ... make sure that the width of the walls is the proper length for a set desired freq. lengths. you might want to pick a couple freq and do resonate freq of say, 20hz (1/2 or 1/4 wave, pref. half wave) and then maybe a full 40hz wave etc. |
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lot of calculation there, but when you start tlakin about low frequencies , it gets increasing difficult to control them. the speaker enclosures will be VERY large i'd say at least 10cubes per driver. maybe throw some passive drivers in there and put it this way you're goign to be able to fit your whole body in the port ;) -------- now the reason i say build your own system and make/master your album on that is well, no one is going to get the ful effect. so you should do this yourself and use this eq. to put on a live show ;) trust me, im a 20-30hz whore; i love it but you're going to need a LOT of power (especially with heavy cones on the drivers) and a lot of MDF wood i dunno annoy the neighbors good |
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human range is 20-20Khz yes, but no one can really hear 20hz i think i can hear 24, 23 and 22 my mind might be playing tricks on me so im not sure if i really "hear" it or not...it's been a while. i wouldn't recommend going much over 30hz you would need different speaker/driver setups per freq too and do some weird channalized shit for diff freqs. maybe an underlying layer of oscillating 15Hz and some 27hz thwacks for a beat and what not but each of those would have to go to different speaker setups have to have some very precise low pass filters too so i dunno, would probably be easier to do like 1 channel per speaker then manually mix the channels in for the final output. ill try and dig up a video i did of my speaker going from 1Hz - 20 and jumping all a round quite fun lots of flex but keep in mind when you port a box to a specific freqeuncy, it will generally peak around (totally t/s depending obviously) but generally 10-12hz higher than the f3 -3dB cutoff point of the box this is why you have to be careful if you have one speaker setup build to F3 point around 25Hz, the speaker will resonate in the box and barely move @ 25hz (thus you can throw more power at it until you run out of xmax like i said above) but but if you suddenly drop a 20hz drone or something lower, the back wave and front wave become out of phase and you are going to have a VERY VERY SLOPPY UNCONTROLLED SPEAKER MASS moving violently back and forth, thus you will blow your speaker in short moments. |
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no one can really hear 20hz well, that part is wrong. other than that I can't be bothered reading all three posts. |
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no. the range is given as 20-20k, but the older you get the less you can hear if you seriously think you can hear 20Hz, lol, whatever |
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well, I can't hear lows that well, no, but I know it can be done. the 20-20k thingie is just like a guideline. there are people who hear well above and well under. I hear up to 22khz or whatever on my left ear (the right one is damaged (tinnitus)), though. army tested, maffakka! |
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how can it be done? with highs you know on a test, yes whether someone can hear it or not because they either hear it or they dont so you know if they are really hearing it but with lows to actually produce an audible signal, hmm it would be a lot of pressure and the tester nor the testee would truely know if they are hearing it see what im saying? with high freq, there is no vibration (well, noticable vibration) so the testee raises his hand when he hears it check check with the lows you can do this cause there is going to be mad vibration and interference so you really cant TRUELY test them ya see what im saying? but realistically, i dont really anyone can hear 20hz would be a strange test environment that's for sure cool stuff |
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well, it's probably got something to do with the ears of the people who hear it. maybe they have bigger pieces in their ears or whatever would be required, but there are people who actually hear it, as opposed to just feeling it.. it probably sounds very annoying. |
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ok. first thing: The sound of silence was recorded for the film "Lawrence of Arabia". The track is called "Silence is Golden", perhaps a joke at the amount of money generated from silence. It is one of the most requested pieces of ambient sound for films. When listeing to it, it is clearly different to no sound, yet has all the qualities of silence. Second thing: Psycho-acoustics. The human brain has circuits to convert vibrations into perceived sounds. The human brain is very clever but can be tricked. For example if you play the harmonics of a tone, but not the fundamental your brain knows that in nature the fundamental always exists, so it recreates it. This means that by doing clever DSP equations sounds can be harmonically altered digitally and played through rubbish laptop speakers, etc but seem to have far more perceived bass than actual bass produced by the small speakers. three: your initial idea is pretentious and should be abandoned. if you want to be all clever make a song based around shepherd tones or something like that, or paradoxic sounds or granular synthesis using tape and splicing it, etc |
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Dance music (intelligent or otherwise) is fucked and all the kids wanna hear is bands that sound like bands that formed before they were born. And you're thinking of doing self-indulgent crap like this? Make some dancefloor killing party jams, for fuck's sake. |
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GET REALLY COOL STROBE LIGHTS TOO |
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dam, elusive! thanks for the help. this is the info i needed. |
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bump one more time so i'll remember to copy this info tomorrow. peace. |
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