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anyone here have any experience w/ one of these? im quite interested. with 1gb memory it'd serve as a perfect portable beat machine.. it's basically - SP-303 Dr. Sample with optional battery power, ~5 new effects including one that adds a low sine to everything, tape echo effect, radio tuning, chromatic ps (i have no clue what that is), bpm looper, and more. built-in mic for super on-the-fly recording. more pads, extra banks. basically a flexed out Dr.Sample. not much information about it online so i was seeing if anyone here has got anything to say about it! seems like the biggest downer is its got no midi-out |
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Well, I have no experience on it, but its MSRP is under $500 and its portable. Even if it doesn't have midi out, you can use it as a slave sampler. As well, you can do 12 bit with it (if I remember correctly). If I didn't have 3 or 4 other things I really want (1-Nord modular g2;2-Elektron Machine drum;3-Frostwave resonator;4-Roland Juno 106) then I would probly think about getting it. For under 500 dollars, you really can't go wrong with that ammount of portability. It got a 4.07/5 at harmony central (148 users rated it). Nothing about it in sonic state :/ |
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One bad point that I can see, is even tho you can save up to 1 gig of samples on the flash card, the machine will only read 96 of them. So unless your samples are all going to be 10 minutes long, then the full gigabyte card would be a waste. Another drawback would be the I/O is all rca, so you can definately see this as being aimed towards the consumer/dj market. As well, I can't seem to find any details on the built in mic, but for under $500, I couldn't see roland installing anything but the barest of essentials in there, so it would probly be a very noisy microphone. |
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why isnt it 120 sounds instead of 96 if youve got 10 banks... 12 sonud per? when you record striaght from RCA the machine saves them at very high quality, so i think if one was only using that to sample theyd stand a chance at filling up 1gb. maybe? i wouldnt touch the built-in mic :/ |
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Well, if you are using it to multitrack, then that might work for you, but the specs are the machine can hold 24 samples into its ram, and you can save up to 96 samples on CF card. I wouldn't get that to do multitracking. More of a simple sampler to use when you are camping/traveling or a backup at a live gig in case your main sampler decides to break down on you. As far as what I have read, you can save up to 300 minutes worth of audio on a 1 gig card (altho if you want my advice, 'high quality' samplers are a dime a dozen, its getting harder and harder to find new samplers that offer an authentic 'lo-fi' sound, so if it actually gives you a good 12 or 8 bit sample sound, then stick with that). Altho if you are looking for a sampler to use in a studio, get a used akia s3000, one of the korg electribe samplers or a yamaha a4000 or a yamaha su200 or something, and spend the extra money on effects. |
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Other roland alternatives for samplers would be the sp808. You can get one for about 300 dollars used, and its a full featured workstation (albeit I use the term 'full' liberally) . |
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oh definitely not for multitracking absolutely not. just to, like, i dunno just jam really... ive looked at the electribe samplers that korg has out. i lean to the ES-1 MKII. you know which one that is? was looking at that one too |
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and im not exactly big spendin here. all those big music workstations, like i dont really think i need one of those. just lookin 2 make beats |
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Yeah, I hear that. All those things I linked to could be gotten for less than a new sp404. The yamaha su200's are pretty cheap. Now are you looking for a sampler? Or something to sequence sounds that you have sampled? Honestly, I use an mpc1000 and I swear by it. It sounds really robust, and its midi implementation is exactly what I need. Plus editing and sampling is a snap (as well as giving you the ability to record audio while playing your sequences (no ability to edit that audio tho)). They just dropped the price too. Altho new ones still go for about $700 to $1000, you can probly swing a used one for $400 - $600. But like I said, you can get an sp808 for under 300, and that has a full sequencer, sampler, synthesizer, effects, midi out and such. Aparently its brilliant for live music. |
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I tried one of these out and it was a bit awkward compared to say, the Korg ES-1 or even the SP-303. I'd rather get a second hand SP-303 or ES-1. The ES-1 has some killer FX too. |
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Which was awkward, the 404? |
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the 404 or the 808? |
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sp-404 has loads more effects than the ES1-MKII, thats really all thats leaning me into it than for an ES1-MKII |
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Yamaha Su200 looks awesome w/ that sample scratcher! |
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Yeah. I don't know how high they rate on the awesomeness scale, but you can get them cheap. (ps: you shouldn't worry about built in effects. Generally, the effects that come built into gear sound like crap. Get yourself some of those new behringer pedals... they only cost $30 each and they actually sound pretty good, better than the effects that you can get in most gear) |
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I've got an SP-808 and an Electribe ES1. The SP-808* is completely useless for composing with, the sequencer is not capable of making drum patterns and it is only 4 nte polyphonic, so you can forget doing anything complicated with it. However it does have a good set of fx and the multitrack is ok to get a sketch down when using other instruments. The ES-1 is much better in my opinion. It has "TR" style sequencing, is 7 note polyphonic and records automation on most controls (Delay, pan, volume, pitch and 1 global effect) so you can make pretty complex dynamic patterns with it. The ES1 uses a smart media card to store samples and has 4mb internal memory...about 1:30 of mono sampling, which i've never used completely....the smart card works much like the way you described the 404...it can only load 99 samples at once in 4mb chunks. Editing is fairly straight forward and the overall sound is slightly lo-fi, similar to the crunch of an mpc 60. The downside is the step sequencer used to construct complete tracks, this is done by stringing 1-4bar patterns together, but it is difficult to make changes without losing all your work...I have never managed a complete track with it. *I have been comparing to the 808 which is now quite an old model, the 404 may have improved a lot of it's features in the 10 year difference between their release. Alternatively just go and buy Ableton 5....it can do so so much more than these machines....it won't let you down, Happy shopping! |
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Oh and never buy one a yamaha SU unit (except the su10)....they are extremely time consuming to program and the scratch ribbon is shite |
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good posts. sucks to hear about that yamaha scratch thing. that'd have been a real treat for its days i use ableton right now for making tracks but i hate being tied to the computer screen. looking forsomething to make beat-brux and bunctions out of away from the PC |
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get an MPC FO SHO! |
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I have a sp808 and not a lot else for music, and I have found it good |
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The 404. The ES-1's effects are better aswell. You can get killer bass with the delay time on minimum and depth on max. |
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Once again, I am going to plug the MPC 1000. Nothing is so perfect, so intuitive, and gives you so many options. It doesn't have a built in synthesizer, but you can sample a noise or instrument, and make it a tone using the jessiahs glitch technique, and there you go, instant synth. Every midi cc can be recorded too for your external synthesizers, and it has a few decent effects. |
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just get the sp303. ive got one and i still use the thing despite having an akai s5000. the 303 effects are good. best thing is you can stop the LFO for the phaser and flanger and adjust the depth manuall with a knob :D I've got 808 sounds on banks A and B, with C and D on a smartmedia card for longer samples. Its a good little box. Chromatic PS is a pitch shifter which lets you adjust the pitch by upto 2 octaves I think. unlike the pitch effect, chromatic lets youdo it in steps of 1 note, I.E. chromatically. wheras the pitch effect just does it by the amount of twist you give the knob, i.e. not quatised to notes. my advice is get the sp303, display and controls aren't as cryptic as they firstseem for 90% of operations. you will only have to look up formatting cards etc, stuff u only do once or twice. sounds compression is very good, best quality is so very good, technically not CD quality, but i doubt ppl could tell this unless they were listeing out for it. microprocessor can be a bit slow for some onboard memory manipulation but get a smartmedia card so u can access banks C and D,the media card also has MUCh faster memory addressing etc. apart from my evolver, the sp303 is the best value for money bit of kit I have. do it! get one. |
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1x ROLAND SP 404 SX in the post should be here tomorrow |
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