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well, yes, I'm arguing on their behalf, but I've also seen screenshots for myself, and they seemed to be correct.. that game you talked about wasn't ps2 graphics, but it seemed to have that gooey effect they mentioned.. I think it's just the lighting engine on however, screenshots are usually awfully small, hence my initial question, which now has panned out into yet another one of these neverending threads... I wonder why that always happens... it's probably my fault anyway, but let's discuss stuff and shit and stuff. they mean that the games just don't look too different in graphics from the ps2 games yet. the console will probably come around (though one of them who's a bit tech-savvy noted that the 360 isn't much more powerful than the computers of today, so...) anyway, I'll probably get to see it first hand soon... however, I will most likely hold out for the ps3.. mgs 4... mmmm... hopefully there will also be more silent hill and final fantasy... |
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I have it, I've been playing several games since I got it, and I love it. |
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heh.. I played FEAR, and besides from the game actually not being scary at all (too many fucking enemies: when will they learn that the scary parts are the ones without enemies?!?!), I didn't think much of the graphics.. and that wasn't on my computer which is more geared towards music, but on my roomates', and he's what one could call a "gamer" or whatever, so his comp is up to specs (don't ask me what specs are, though, as I have NO idea.. there would be too much information if I asked him...) |
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hihi, map building is fun.. I remember me and a mate used to create the most devious maps ever on wolfenstein 3d (DOORS! DOORS!) and Duke Nukem 3d! |
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i'm getting the ps3 once it's a bit cheaper, cause i'm fearing the launch price will be STEEP! i really want new mgs, ff, dmc, god of war, ico blabla... also, it will play bluray and i'm sort of a technophile idiot that buys really expensive gear that will be outdated before i've managed to plug it in the socket. anyway, the 360 runs 3 cores at 3.2ghz, so it's well under a lot of computers around today. thing is, it's far above 99% of personal computers, and it will be for at least a year. also, when writing software for consoles, you've got to remember that the developer only has one spec in mind. this way he can custom tailor the game's engine a LOT more, enabling him to optimize performance by several hundreds of percents vs something that has to work for thousands of different configurations of hardware and software (PC). it's a spectacular advantage. |
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I will most likely hold out for the ps3.. mgs 4... mmmm... hopefully there will also be more silent hill and final fantasy... Yeah, I can't wait for those games. PS3 have more games with the ''artistic'' flair the first wave of Xbox 360 games are lacking. Xbox tends to get a lot of boring looking/playing Doom/Quake-ish games and FPS'. Off topic a little, is anybody else concerned about what the new Grand Theft Auto games are going to be like? If they're too realistic looking, that would be weird... it would kind of cross that uncanny valley... beating up hookers and running over old women is fun when they look cartoony, but might be sort of unsettling in a photorealistic city. |
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it will only be more awesome. i hope you can run over 2 year olds, beat up kittens and cram shovels down the throats of endangered animals after setting them on fire and pissing all over them. |
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hmm.. I wish pc games too would utilize multiple cores.. then my computer would probably out-spec the other guys'... he only has one core, and I got 2x 2,8 ghz... I wouldn't know what to play, though... how's the gameplay for that condemned game? does it actually scare you, or is it another like FEAR or those damned Resident Evil thingies where you just get swamped in enemies and don't have time to be scared? |
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Condemned is supposed to be ten times scarier than FEAR. It's my most wanted 360 game. I've read spoilers and there are some truly terrifying sequences. Staz- haha, maybe you're right. I hope they add a Rape Button. I think I'd like driving car bombs into playgrounds, too. |
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yeah, isn't mgs4 one of the first games? I kind of predict it won't be surpassed neither in gameplay nor graphics before the next MGS after that again.. or.. maybe at silent hill 5? konami knows what the fuck they're doing... square also has a shot at it, but they're also quite often more into making amazing pre-rendered stuff (and when the normal stuff looks pre-rendered, imagine what pre-rendered stuff will look like!) GTA will probably just carry on like it's always done... and that realistic looking stuff... well, there was some reasearch done on it, and people confronted with, like, real-looking 3drenders of people thought they were looking at pictures of dead people and were generally creeped out.. apparently, that stuff with "windows to the soul" or whatever must have some sort of truth to it... so if rockstar knows what's good for them, they'll just keep it a bit cartoonish, and let silent hill use real-looking graphics to creep people out... |
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And yeah Condemned is much slower paced. Psychos sneak up on you in the dark and whisper ''now you're going to die'' in your ear, and you only have a pipe to fend them off with. Groovy. |
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well, ten times scarier than FEAR still isn't very scary imo... I can't help but think they've done the action mistake... |
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FEAR wasn't scary at all. i thought resident evil was pretty scary to be honest, mostly because of the ambience. i've only played the gamecube remake of RE1 though. brilliant game. condemned is... sickening. i'm totally off my rocker after playing for 2-3 minutes. an hour of gameplay is like being sent to a religious asylum and being subjected to regular acid trips and flagellation. a friend of mine was howling just watching me play for a while. i've got a 5.1 system that enhances the scariness tenfold. the graphics are amazing, the way the game utilizes darkness is just brilliant. nothing like doom 3 where the world is just soaked in INK. this is a true survival horror game without cheap "sinister the ring-like girl" gimmicks, just crazy fucking hobos, a totally absurd plot and combat that really feels heavy and realistic. you rip signs off the wall to defend yourself, find almost emptied-out .45s in thrashcans that last you for one more crazy adversary and desperately try to fend off the next attack with some shitty conduit you just yanked off a power box. it's a triumph in survival horror design, every aspect is damn near perfect. the only thing i miss is more freedom, but that would probably work against the fabric of the gameplay and ruin the "tightness". oh, and it's permanently locked to the first person view, which is pretty fancy. especially when you fall down an escalator. |
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hmmm.. I will have to try it out... hopefully the gamer will get 360, but I have a feeling he's going ps3 too... will they make it for pc? |
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yeah, i think they're putting it out for the pc too. by the way, a completely unrelated norwegian bonus: |
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mostly because of the ambience. i've only played the gamecube remake of RE1 though Have you guys ever played Resident Evil 4? Sounds like you haven't. I think it's arguably the best game ever made, don't be turned off if you didn't like the older ones, RE4 is a reinvention. Great ambience and incredibly kinetic action. Man I can't wait to play Condemned. Shit. |
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is that the one where the video just shows some guy in a village and thousands of enemies? not very scary... |
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re4 looks brilliant, but i can't afford it just yet. the 360 set me back a biiit. |
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Yeah but that's a two minute sequence from a 25 hour game. It's easily the best horror-themed game ever. (or maybe Silent Hill 2 is... or Zombies Ate My Neighbours...) |
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hahahaha!!!!!!!!! |
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sh2. definately |
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it's the best clip ever. it's been on repeat here for like 20 minutes. |
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hahaha! I see why! amazing! is that supposed to be "the story?" |
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probably, i haven't seen any more of it. it's from a "norske nybegynnere" movie. |
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the nintendo ds is the only next generation system i need. mario 3 advance in one slot and mario kart ds in the other. |
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hahah! it's definately an instant classic! |
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because games developers know more about games than you do? |
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there is only black and white, sorry. |
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Agreed Ophiee! Drunken Mastah: I think you should definitely buy re4 on ps2 now that it's out, I'm sure you'll engoy it. Like Ophecks said, Re4 is easily the best horror-themed game ever. |
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RE1 was scary (remake undoubtedly more so). 10/10 RE2 was less scary and more action-packed. 9/10 RE3 was not scary at all, and focused on action. 8/10 RE4 I haven't played. :( SH1 was WOW 10/10 SH2 was next-gen WOWWOW 10/10 SH3 was more of the same 8/10 SH4 I haven't played :( (fear of fours?) I haven't tried F.E.A.R. or Condemned, but as far as disturbing games go (not necessarily jump-out-of-your-seat scary), I'd include classics like the Doom trilogy, an old point-and-click called Sanitarium, Gabriel Knight 2 and even the not-so-scary Shadow of Memories for PS2. Best scary games I've never played: F.E.A.R., Phantasmagoria, RE4, SH4, Clock Tower (1-3), Fatal Frame... |
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Would you rather have an xbox 360 with no games for 600$ or whatever it's going for or a used xbox with maybe 10 games for like 130$ (a system which had plenty of time to have occasional gems made for it)? Do the mizath. Unless you're rich, then who cares. There aren't any later generation games better than super street fighter 2 on genesis anyway. Super bomberman on genesis is a fun game I've been playing lately too. I'd have to say genesis is a better system than snes. Super mario was a let down; nothing compared to mario 3; too easy with annoying "helpful" text tips that pop up meant for the complete newbie or child. Lame extra paths that are annoying rather than fun to find. Stupid 'fill in all the green blocks' switches. All games have to be team efforts on these new systems since they're so complex. Groups rarely produce interesting stuff. It just becomes statistically less likely that all members are interesting/creative as more are added. If you stuck aphex in a band with 3 other electronic music makers, the result would suck more than his unique stuff. |
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who the hell would buy a fucking 360 with no games? that's a pretty absurd question. anyway, i know it's convenient to be stuck with nostalgia, but very rarely are the games you fondly remember playing when you were younger any good these days. there are some notable exceptions, though. also, "groups rarely produce interesting stuff" is probably the biggest load of shite i've ever heard, as there's always a group involved in creating games for a company. most of the time it springs out from the idea of one man (shigeru miyamoto, hideo kojima, cliffyb, whatever), but there's always a team there to flesh things out. the entire team doesn't design the game. |
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urgh, all they do is mimick OUR world. It's like someone tediously figures out the technology/code to do something spectacular in its own right, like making light reflect off surfaces etc., but then this is memetically used over and over again. The games are all cookie cutter clones of some character wandering around in a 3d environment with slight variation. 2d puts a natural limit on the complexity, everything happens in a geometric plane. With current generation, there's so much complex ai/ 3d etc that you can almost always find some lame loophole to make the entire game challengeless. I think most games need to be way more digital, like checkers: everything is done confined to the squares. Then again doom2 was pretty analogue. I bet I'd rather have a copy of doom2 than the xbox 360 and every game that will ever be made for it. I might as well post this piece of utter crap to justify writing it. |
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groups produce interesting stuff. but art doesn't work in groups generally. Not really unique art from the rare really strange wack job like aphex. All final products have an aura of "conventional" stamped on them, in varying degrees. |
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i've played plenty of new 2d games, and a lot of them are quite good. especially kirby and meteos for the ds. it all boils down to what you like (as usual, sigh). but i don't think limiting your opportunities is a good approach to making original and fresh games. also, there aren't many games out there who are looks over substance. most of the really good looking games also have great gameplay. also, i haven't really been able to find any loopholes in 3d games at all, unless they're obvious game glitches/bugs. and if you do that, you're just cheating anyway, and that's never fun, is it? i think you're being a bit conservative and narrow minded about 3d gameplay and its possibilities here, but whatever. it's pointless to try and "convince" you, i just figured i'd say some shit on the internet. |
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that's how you see it. i certainly think there's a good chance of pure magic sparking between several people! |
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you're basically crossing out film and theatre as artforms and large parts of music. full of shit, is what you are. |
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the internet is an artificial single other interactive human. |
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I am fucking full of shit. I'm totally aware of it at least. It literally feels like there is moldy shit between my ears and I'm not even kidding. A measure of ones sanity might be how often they question it. I hate talking to the internet. I HATE YOU INTERNET! DIE QRTER DIE! oh unholy beast of manure misinformation; thy name is qrter. I'm going to log off qrter right now. I have some "sitting" and some "wall staring" to do. |
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well I don't think groups really produce art, and I think if you look at how game studios operate, a compartmentalized system relegates individual tasks to individual artists with the specific knowledge that individual people will produce unique results. There's character design, monster design, event design, map design, animation design, menu design, music design, dialogue design --- all relegated to smaller segments, headed by individuals, and ultimately even the power of these micro-groups stems from the individual designers themselves, given a specific framework for creativity. And btw, i find your comments on mario misguided, but no bother commenting further. Oh, and you're right about 3d games having loopholes -- nearly every single 3rd person game I've played has glitches which enable "easy kill" or "problem bypass". But 2d games had these just as well: I'm thinking most notably some ridiculous sprite bosses from sonic or streets of rage. |
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qrter you plague my dreams like freddy kruger. Do you know how often I dream about you? You know when you are like, suddenly aware of a component of your own body for the first time. It's like... I have a "lung" (breath, breath). What the fuck am I? WHAT THE FUCK AM I?? And then you start burning your own skin just to try to confirm a theory that pain and everything else is entirely fiction? I'm going to go eat some grapes. |
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said like a true single male. |
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The earth is overrun by monkeys. And they have technology. See those are good thoughts, those are sane thoughts. Thanks, that was good input. HELP ME I'M GOING INSANE. Here, I performed a mathematical operation to your individual tasks: design(character, monster, event, map, animation, menu, music, dialogue) I feel like my IQ is rapidly alternating between -300 and 300. I'm going to go eat some grapes. INTERNET |
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sh4 is weaker than the others, but it still beats anything I've seen from the resident evil series... |
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oh, wait one more thing about the 360.. they figured out backwards-compatability is a good thing, right? also, I haven't looked into this, but.. the ps3 will be backwards compatible, right? |
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you just told w M w he was full of shit... |
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i feel threatened when people mathematical operations on my tasks. nonetheless you're right, if insane. |
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verb, where's the verb? *burp* |
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don't listen to the secret police. The Internets won't get you. The Internets won't get you. |
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RE4 won game of the year at the Spike TV video game awards last night. Spike TV! With that victory, Capcom has finally reached the summit of video games. Drunken- yeah the Xbox 360 is backwards compatible, though not right out of the box... you need to download software to get each game working. Easy to do and well worth it though since every game is re-rendered in widescreen and high def. PS3 will be backwards compatible, will probably provide the same sort of benefits, but dunno if it'll work the same way. |
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