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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-12-05 10:36 [#01793924]
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what do you consider to be avant garde nowdays?
what's the difference between experimental and avant garde music in your opinion?
(we probably had this sort of thread before but i have no time to look for it :)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-12-05 10:42 [#01793925]
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experimental and avant garde kind of go hand in hand, right?
if you really think about it, they're not really interchangeable terms, though. experimental implies the act of experimentation and just describes a process, whereas avant garde just means anything new or groundbreaking.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-05 10:46 [#01793926]
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aphex twin....?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-12-05 10:49 [#01793929]
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right, although experimental usually stands for something new, right? so therfore probably becomes avan garde..
how do you define new or groundbreaking nowdays? :)
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-12-05 10:56 [#01793938]
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it's hard to say. you probably listen to more new avant garde music than i do... who has new ideas in music? who is doing something in a new way?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-05 10:56 [#01793939]
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you're a busy, busy man.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-12-05 10:58 [#01793941]
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oh, here is an example of a new avant garde artist.
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2005-12-05 10:59 [#01793942]
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Difficult question. I think the EAI musicians have changed a few things, maybe they should be considered avant garde. It's hard to define what avant garde music is nowadays, rarely do I hear music which is entirely groundbreaking. I think there is a lot to explore within microtonality, this would lead to composers becoming more individual.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-12-05 11:00 [#01793943]
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jav, im going to have problems with this one :) thanks for clearing it up though..there are no avant garde artists overhere, althoough they might think they are. ofcourse there are avantgardists in domestic scene, but what's considered avat garde here nowdays was avant garde in uk 20 years ago..
qrter, only because i want to retire when im 35 :)
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scup_bucket
from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2005-12-05 12:05 [#01793982]
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whenever I make something really stupid I say it's avant garde.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-12-05 12:06 [#01793983]
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"ofcourse there are avantgardists in domestic scene, but what's considered avat garde here nowdays was avant garde in uk 20 years ago.."
yeah, I was going to mention something about how people who prefer genres besides electronica would probably define avante garde differently from us... but it appears you know that already. :)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-12-05 12:07 [#01793985]
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im post avant garde
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-12-05 13:04 [#01794025]
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im a sevant dreg pot
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-12-05 13:04 [#01794026]
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savant*
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euphonicfilter
from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-05 13:22 [#01794035]
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a·vant-garde Audio pronunciation of "avant-garde" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ävänt-gärd, vänt-) n.
A group active in the invention and application of new techniques in a given field, especially in the arts.
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ex·per·i·men·tal Audio pronunciation of "experimental" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-spr-mntl) adj.
1. -1. Relating to or based on experiment: experimental ---procedures; experimental results.
-2. Given to experimenting. 2. Of the nature of an experiment; constituting or undergoing a ---test: an experimental drug.
3. Founded on experience; empirical.
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sine wave
from Ireland on 2005-12-05 17:40 [#01794182]
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Icarus, _I Tweet the Birdy Electric_ & _Carnivalesque_ Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-05 18:16 [#01794192]
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Experimental musicians have shaved heads and avant garde musicians are balding but let their remaining hair grow long and wear EuroHats.
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rotunda
on 2005-12-05 18:38 [#01794198]
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...they avant garde a clue
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-12-05 18:43 [#01794200]
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hahaha!
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altai
on 2005-12-05 18:45 [#01794202]
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grasshoppa! ya fick
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-06 00:25 [#01794344]
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I'm gonna buy the icarus LP soon.
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