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[help?] the tribe with no time?
 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 08:02 [#01788383]
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ok.. someone here must've heard this, and I need to know
even if it should turn out to be some kind of urban legend
or example constructed by someone... People have mentioned
something about a tribe that doesn't have time at
all
, and I just need to know its name and if it is an
example, who made it...


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2005-11-27 08:47 [#01788391]
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what chu talkin bout willis


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 09:25 [#01788403]
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a tribe that doesn't have time.


 

offline Chihiro from twins land on 2005-11-27 10:19 [#01788425]
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that's my tribe right there!!!


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2005-11-27 10:29 [#01788427]
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They're just so really really busy.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 13:48 [#01788503]
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it's for an example for my home exam, btw... not incredibly
important, but nice to be able to illustrate a point I'm
making...


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2005-11-27 13:50 [#01788504]
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i'm studying psychology and i think it was in one of my
books. i'm not sure though.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-11-27 13:56 [#01788508]
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I know the austrailian aboriginees were noted for not having
anything relating to time in their traditions and beliefs.
Don't know if that is what you are looking for.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 14:00 [#01788510]
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can you remember if it was a made up example (which would
make it harder to find, as the name of the tribe probably
would vary quite a bit), or a real tribe?


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-27 14:01 [#01788511]
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this could help maybe


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 14:02 [#01788514]
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well, it's more like not having anything at all related to
time. no time-words, no time conjugating of words, no
difference between now and now (about one tenth of a second
after you read the first now) or now and next or last
month... quite simply no concept of time whatsoever.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 14:09 [#01788518]
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thanks, but it's not that.. these people actually have
some concept of time...


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 14:20 [#01788527]
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these people = those aboriginies, not the ones I'm talking
about, who don't even consider it at all.. the aboriginies
seem to have some concept of past and present


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2005-11-27 14:50 [#01788539]
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i'm pretty sure it wasn't made up, but it's been a while
since i read it so i'm not sure. there was also a tribe, in
south america if i remember correctly, that didn't have a
word for left or right so they used the directions instead,
mostly west and east.

westerners also look at time on a horizontal scale while the
chinese, for example, look at it on a vertical scale.


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2005-11-27 14:52 [#01788542]
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i once read about a tribe in new guinea that only had 2
words to describe colour and they were said to sense colours
differently from people that had more words for colour.
according to most/latest studies this is however wrong.


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2005-11-27 15:05 [#01788546]
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psychology is so gay


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2005-11-27 15:30 [#01788548]
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so are messageboards and concepts that bare names such as
"idm".

of the 250 that started this first year probably 70-80% were
girls. so if gay refers to something that is "girly" then
you're probably on to something.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 15:55 [#01788551]
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hahaha!

as a psych student, you should be able to tell he's kidding,
I think...

anyway, how did they prove that that other tribe actually
sensed colours the same as us?


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-11-27 15:57 [#01788552]
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Yeah. The reading I used to do about tribal lifestyles
seemed to say that. Modern aboriginees that have integrated
into western style living do have a sence of time, but more
traditional ones seem to see the idea of it as a joke, if
they are willing to consider it at all.


 

online big from lsg on 2005-11-27 15:59 [#01788554]
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just make a footnote that explains you couldnt find the
source


 

online big from lsg on 2005-11-27 16:02 [#01788555]
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or state it like a generally known fact: '..of course there
are societies that don't know the concept of time at all'


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-27 16:04 [#01788557]
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yeah, professors really like that.

"I have written a paper about how time is made of chocolate.
I have enough proof, just not the actual facts to back it
up."

"great! here, have an A!"


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-27 16:06 [#01788559]
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this is kind of related - a tribe that has no
concept of numericals.



 

online big from lsg on 2005-11-27 16:07 [#01788560]
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yea, but when the rest is ok they won't deduct any points,
drunken just wants to fun the essay up not build the essay
on this fact


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 16:38 [#01788572]
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hahah! stop fighting you two!

anyway, yeah.. the point I'm trying to make is that you
can't automatically assume that everyone thinks or percieves
things like you.. the inverted qualia issue is already
mentioned and then I just wanted something a bit more
substantial from the real world...

..and now that I think about it, all of these examples can
be used, and are actually quite great! I just had my mind
too set on one thing.. of course, it is also way more
difficult to imagine that someone would not percieve
time than it would be to imagine someone not having more
than two colors (colour-blind people are an everyday
phenomenon, so...)...

anyway, thanks guys! I think I'll use the original example
as a quick note after I've used the ones supplied here since
I can't remember what the tribe was called...


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-27 17:16 [#01788576]
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you have to be able to back up any example given in an essay
with facts. that's how it works. you can't just make broad
assumptions, it makes the rest of the essay less believable.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-27 17:17 [#01788577]
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pff. sissy. this is nowhere near fighting!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-27 17:59 [#01788586]
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hahaha!

ok, as long as you keep your space spiders in a cage, it's
ok, I guess...


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2005-11-28 13:28 [#01789243]
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hehe, i assumed he was kidding, yes.

proving it wasn't very complicated. they just showed them
some colours and asked if "this was the same colour as this
one or not". most people, except colorblind people and maybe
a few others, also have a typical sense of what the "real"
or "perfect" green, red, blue or yellow is, for example. If
you have 5 different colours of say, red, most people,
except for colorblind and maybe a few others, have a pretty
good sense of which one of those colours is the best
representative for the colour red...if that makes any sense
:)... and so did those people who only had 2 words for
colour.


 


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