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amazingly-attractive-international-boy-band-idm-super-pimps I mean, if I was â„¢ Autechre, I'd make my songs sound exactly the way I wanted them. Wouldn't you? |
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Mastering is more influencing certain elements of the sound. Not changing it. Mastering is an art that most musicians producers and engineers aren't always able to do. Its the subtlties of sound. And it takes forever! |
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um...i don't know about that..but i'm sure autechre and everyone else on warp has someone master their records simply because mastering engineers know how to make records sound good for the format they're going to and how to balance out the sound so they sound good on all systems they're subjected to.. do a google search, you'll learn a lot. |
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awwwwwwwwteka |
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AWWW TEKKUR |
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i would guess that mastering is just a whole different form from making tracks. |
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and also, you need someone "objective" to listen to the tracks you composed, recorded and played to yourself a zillion times and can't really say if they sound good or bad anymore. i think it's quite the same with [spam] here. you just admit you are not that "idm-super-pimp" and ask someone else for advice/support. and i think that's what autechre do when hire a sound engineer. well, perhaps if ae spammed their tracks at xlt a bit more they wouldn't need to involve a master man ;] |
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i remember reading an interview with matmos being very big on mastering...seems funny,but... "Martin: Well, one other invisible, expensive thing, is that I actually think it's important to master stuff. Like when were done with an album, we lay the songs down on DAT one song at a time, and then we go use a mastering studio. The studio we use is in San Francisco is called Olde West. Actually there's one mastering engineer we use there, who doesn't work there anymore. We had to call every Rick Wilson in the phone book and we finally found him. We got him to come back and master it for us. It really does a magical thing where it makes everything sound so much more solid and together. Even the Bjork stuff, I mean she recorded in this million dollar fancy-ass studio, and you listen to this stuff and you think it couldn't sound any better - but just the other day we listened to the songs after they've been mastered and sure enough there was this huge difference. I really can't say what they really do, but I would say that when you're done with a record, it's worth the money to go and have someone else master it. Plus, you listen to it on a really good pair of speakers, in another room with somebody who supposedly knows what they're doing, and it makes you realize what needs to be tweaked, and then you get a final EQ tweak. $60 an hour is pretty damn expensive, and we usually spend about five or six hours - a lot of money, but it's worth it. Chachi: I'll take that to heart. Martin: Do. When you finish a whole volume of stuff, and you've got it in the right order, go and get it mastered. " |
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The thing is, its not some magical thing. Its just manipulating sound waves to a point where it 'sounds good', but what really 'sounds good', thats up to the artist, not some guy charging $60 an hour. |
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oh boy... |
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nono,its just a case of pressing the orange button |
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Probably because autechre is going for a crystal clean pristine digital sound. Besides, who wouldn't want to have their stuff sounding better. |
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what you don't understand is that ultra-pimp-idm-star has nothing to do with having the best (expensive) gear and knowing really well how to use them to make something better as a whole and what matmos is saying about a kind of magic added is quite true, but it is subtle things, not everybody hear subtle dynamics and change in frequencies or depth of the stereo image, etc.. |
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It's "recommended" to let someone else master. |
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is 60$ an hour THAT expensive for a superstar IDM band ? |
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ehhh... what are you on (about)? mastering engineers make all the songs on the album have the same volume so that you won't blow your stereo because all the songs have different peaks and they make the music sound correct (correct, not good) based on what format it's released on.. vinyl needs different mastering from cd. |
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can't sean and rob do that themselves? could be they're just too lazy.. |
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i heard a rumour they dont even wipe there own arses,the bastards |
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ah yes, the life of a superstar.. |
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np. ladytron - commodore rock |
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hell yeah-might get the old vic 20 out |
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most likely not. I don't really think I know of artists other than bedroom producers who do mastering themselves. it's a whole different process from making the music. |
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surely mastering is basically just shoving the tracks through an equaliser. surely ae can do it themselves? i mean, they can do anything - even write a CD-worth of complete crap (i.e. Confield) and manage to flog a few thousand copies just because of the strength of their name. aahhhh, i love them really. OR-TECH-HER |
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the whole argument is that mastering by someone else gives an outsider perspective on it. And the fact that they probably don't know how to make it sound better. Presumably they've gotten it to a certain point that they are happy with. What's being "lazy" have to do with anything I wonder... |
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Good point about the vinyl, is good to drop some extra cash on because you dont want to end up with 2000 piece of wax that has skips in it because your bass is too loud. On the other hand, when was the last time someone blew a speaker because their stuff wasn't mastered? Rob: "Dude I was jamming out that new track in my car and the speakers blew out, lol." Sean: "Fuck, we gots to get that shit mastered." (Sean strikes 80's pose) |
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haha.. yeah, I didn't mean that literally.. more like, it's really annoying when one track is really low and then the next is just on the verge of clipping. mastering engineers also make sure that you get most of the details and sounds on most setups.. they maximize the sound so that it sounds "good" (well.. better than unmastered) even if you're listening on pc-speakers... |
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yeah, but i guess what I'm getting at is: Drukqs wasn't mastered by anybody. If it was they sure didn't give credit to any mastering studio on the credits. |
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well, then maybe aphex masters shit himself... I don't know. is it really so wrong that æ had someone master their stuff? |
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My mate does a lot of mastering. He always told me that it is really important to see what the music sounds like in as many situations as possible, such as: On a soundsystem In the car Walkman Home stereo So you can try and suss out whats going wrong /going right with the tunes on each different set up. |
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I would guess it's similar to adjusting color and luminance on a video project after it's edited...mind numbing work. They're probably just creatively drained and don't have the energy for it. |
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Drukqs is very well mastered. AFX really is a genius. |
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ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Why the fuck does it matter anyway? Next topic please............. |
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have you ever installed speakers out of phase before? first, get a professionally mastered cd, then try reversing the red/black cabling on one of your speakers and stand back and in the middle of the room and move around, you'll notice that the bass drop out when you stand in the right positions, which doesn't happen when the speakers are set the right way this is cd's are mastered to emulate a "3d sound" and when you mess with the sound specifically in this way, the sound play out of phase and cancel each other out (if you've used noise cancelling headphones before, you'll know what I mean) I've messed around with some pro equipment before, and especially with a particularly large setup (I'm talking 1.5 metre high speakers) putting the speakers in out of phase completely FUCKS the sound, there's a lot more to sound mastering than a lot of people think, anyone that refuses to beleive it is just plain wrong, look it up, it's pretty in depth shit, there's a good reason they have university courses on sound dynamics |
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well of course two speakers out of phase are going to cancel each other out. im missing something here |
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do you remember the case with Jega's "Geometry" album? does anyone here had actually listened to the UK and USA versions of the album? can you notice the difference? |
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"there's a lot more to sound mastering than a lot of people think, anyone that refuses to beleive it is just plain wrong, " exactly... I've got a feeling that not too many people who've posted here really knows what they're talking about. (me too for that matter, lol) Things have been mentioned that I'm sure are important to the process of mastering, but I'm sure that none one thing that's been said and all of what's been said doesn't represent the whole process... |
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Yes, interesting, I do know the 'theory' behind mastering, but doing it IS a big pain in the ass. Also, if I'm not sitting inbetween my monitor speakers, the music does sound different, I dunno if thats a similar thing to reversing the cables however. Bob is right too, you have to listen to it everywhere to see if you did a good job. Its always a good idea to keep those old crappy headphones around to test shit out on. |
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ehh.. that happens to all sound, not only professionally mastered sound. a normal and inverted sound cancels each other out. |
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I just googled it, you're right. |
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I'm awesome! |
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oh, and, btw.. I was trying it out with sine waves.. one normal, one inverted, panning them back and forth in a song I made.. when I converted to mp3, it didn't work.. I then just took a pure sine, converted it to mp3 and looked at the waveform.. it was no longer a pure sine.. it was all jagged and ugly... mp3 sucks. |
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ehh.. I zoomed out because you can't really see the difference if I just post two waveforms.. you need to see the big picture to see the difference, but that's a normal sine before and after encoding.. before and after is reversed because.. well, it just is, ok? |
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that is.. the tags aren't reversed, it's just that normally, "before" would be to the left of "after," but here it isn't... eh... oh, you get it. |
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mp3s also hide ghosts in their files. yes, that's right, folks, ghosts! But be not alarmed: they are harmless unless you try to code them to ogg! Ogg will create angerplasma which reacts with the ectoplasma in the ghosts making them agressive. The only way to stop an ogg ghost is by spraying it with mustard, molten plastic and a ball of twine. |
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$60/hr isn't at all expensive for mastering. Most engineers charge around $100 per track. Check out Skyy mastering in Scotland...he does a lot of stuff for Touch and many other things. I know Cristian Vogel does some mastering as well. Pretty much if you don't know why you'd have somebody master your material, then you probably should look into having it mastered by somebody. ;) that is, if you're doing a proper release someplace.. there's loads of forums about mastering and that art of it. check into it. |
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ogg. notice the slightly red tint of the ghost. |
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ghosts are scary |
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only the ogg ones. |
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I could do the mastering for less bucks, ghostbuster style word |
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hahahahah! top-notch science, mastah |
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